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Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by jnbiche » Thu, Aug 20, 2015, 6:42 PM UTC

melling wrote: post #93

rnovak wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, and this is my opinion only, but 2-3 day forcasts, at least in my area, are horribly inaccurate . In my state, it's a common joke that being a meteorologist is the only job you can have where you can be wrong 95% of the time, and still keep your job. Seriously, our forecasts are nearly always wrong. So.....saying we can make as accurate of forecasts for 200 years ago...that's not really saying much. Thi…

Yeah, your comment about weather is an FAQ. I started a little blog FAQ a few weeks ago so I wouldn't have to repeatedly answer the same questions. https://2cco2.wordpress.com/2015/08/04/the-difference-betwee...

Well, you didn't answer it in your blog, either. You simply posted link to a video that many HNers will not even click on, given our well-known preference for text presentations and the fact that many of us browse from work locations where video playing is not appreciated (even if the presenter in the video happens to be a pretty cool guy in this case).

I'd recommend at least writing a brief summary to the video if you really want to maintain an effective FAQ.

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by woobar » Thu, Aug 20, 2015, 6:42 PM UTC

patrickaljord wrote: post #109

jedberg wrote: post #37

Has anyone else noticed that the conservative rhetoric has quietly switched from "global warming doesn't exist so we don't have to do anything" to "global warming isn't caused by people so there is nothing we can do"?

I don't think it's called global warming anymore, it's called climate change. Besides, I don't understand why it's ok for liberals to make fun of conservatives using "extreme snow" during winter as an argument against climate change but that liberals using exceptional heat during summer as an argument for climate change is ok. A few months of extra cold or heat is not enough to prove or disprove climate change. Last…

> Last year we had an unusual cold summer, was that proof that climate change is not happening?

Who are "we" that had an unusual cold summer?

The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for June–August was the highest on record for this period, at 1.28°F (0.71°C) above the 20th century average of 61.5°F (16.4°C).

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/summary-info/global/201408

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by fluidcruft » Thu, Aug 20, 2015, 6:43 PM UTC

inversionOf wrote: post #126

fluidcruft wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Global warming is obvious from the data. End of story. The AGW debate is about the extent to which this very real warming is caused by human activity. At best, all those effectoids you prattle off are only interesting as confounds for the models that are used to tease out causes for the warming. The overall warming itself is indisputable.

Interesting comment having positively nothing to do with my comment. That you fail to understand that speaks volumes. Of course, you're the one who conflates 135 years with 14 billion years, so not unexpected.

If you observe a pattern that what you think is your point is not getting across to your readers, it could well be that your readers are dense. It could also be that what you're writing is unintelligible.

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by twoodfin » Thu, Aug 20, 2015, 6:51 PM UTC

scarmig wrote: post #51

elektromekatron wrote: post #29

I find it continually amazing how many people find NASA sending rockets into space all the time to be an expected and everyday part of modern life, but then don't trust them with a thermometer.

Temperature measurement is a hard problem, hard enough you could write a PhD on it. Asking questions about methods etc. is entirely acceptable. The issue is when people refuse to recognize that thousands of scientists have made this their career, and thousands of PhDs actually have been written on temperatures past and present, and think that talking heads on Fox News reciting memos paid for by fossil fuel companies…

think that talking heads on Fox News reciting memos paid for by fossil fuel companies contain even the semblance of a real critique.

When did this happen?

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by jberryman » Thu, Aug 20, 2015, 6:52 PM UTC

patrickaljord wrote: post #109

jedberg wrote: post #37

Has anyone else noticed that the conservative rhetoric has quietly switched from "global warming doesn't exist so we don't have to do anything" to "global warming isn't caused by people so there is nothing we can do"?

I don't think it's called global warming anymore, it's called climate change. Besides, I don't understand why it's ok for liberals to make fun of conservatives using "extreme snow" during winter as an argument against climate change but that liberals using exceptional heat during summer as an argument for climate change is ok. A few months of extra cold or heat is not enough to prove or disprove climate change. Last…

> I don't understand why it's ok for liberals to make fun of conservatives using "extreme snow" during winter as an argument against climate change

Because that argument betrays the most infantile misunderstanding of an issue that is extremely important; climate is not the same as weather, and extreme heat and cold and weather events are what climate models predict.

> Many conservatives are right to underline that simply increasing taxes is not the solution. So what's the solution? Innovation in new source of renewable or less polluting energy technologies.

Are you describing cap-and-trade? That's actually a conservative solution from decades ago; this is the "middle ground" and was roundly rejected as some kind of socialist takeover by today's conservatives.

Anyway it's probably too late for all of that anyway. It's certainly too late for your impotent handwaving about "innovation in new source of renewable". What a joke.

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by inversionOf » Thu, Aug 20, 2015, 6:52 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #128

inversionOf wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comments like this (and predictable moderation of my comment) are what makes this whole discussion a religion. You profoundly and completely missed the entire context of my comment in your zeal to, you think, denounce anti-warming. It is tiring, pedestrian, and ignorant.

Maybe if you explained a little more, I could actually have a shot at understanding what you think the problem is.

This new record high for the month beat the previous record from 17 years ago, to begin.

Do you really think you want to understand? Again, the irrational histrionics of so many to this discussion (such as the conflation of billions of years with a period of time that is a tiny, tiny sliver of human history, much less periods of the Earth). It is impossible to discuss nuances without the predictable, boorish stomping of feet and announcing of positions. People must make everyone know how firmly and strongly they believe in global warming.

And the funny thing is that I fully and completely believe in and understand AGW. It isn't a religion, however, and I'm not waving a flag or announcing fealty, or angrily posting over the top responses to anything that is other than full-fledged Belief. It is the most toxic, bottom-feeding discussion going.

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by inversionOf » Thu, Aug 20, 2015, 6:56 PM UTC

fluidcruft wrote: post #133

inversionOf wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting comment having positively nothing to do with my comment. That you fail to understand that speaks volumes. Of course, you're the one who conflates 135 years with 14 billion years, so not unexpected.

If you observe a pattern that what you think is your point is not getting across to your readers, it could well be that your readers are dense. It could also be that what you're writing is unintelligible.

The pattern is that it is utterly impossible to discuss any nuance of AGW, the data, or its meaning, without zealots such as yourself acting as strongly as you can to make sure everyone knows how much of a Believer you are.

AGW is reality. The disciples of AGW are profoundly intolerable, however.

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by patrickaljord » Thu, Aug 20, 2015, 6:56 PM UTC

lukeschlather wrote: post #129

patrickaljord wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's called global warming anymore, it's called climate change. Besides, I don't understand why it's ok for liberals to make fun of conservatives using "extreme snow" during winter as an argument against climate change but that liberals using exceptional heat during summer as an argument for climate change is ok. A few months of extra cold or heat is not enough to prove or disprove climate change. Last…

> I don't think it's called global warming anymore, it's called climate change. This is because warming is only one component of the problems we're facing as a result of pollution. See for example ocean acidification. > Besides, I don't understand why it's ok for liberals to make fun of conservatives using "extreme snow" during winter as an argument against climate change but that liberals using exceptional heat duri…

> Having a better environment for businesses boosts profits, not innovation.

Of course, but more profits encourages people to create more businesses which create more innovation. Sorry, I thought that was obvious.

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by cm2187 » Thu, Aug 20, 2015, 6:56 PM UTC

patrickaljord wrote: post #109

jedberg wrote: post #37

Has anyone else noticed that the conservative rhetoric has quietly switched from "global warming doesn't exist so we don't have to do anything" to "global warming isn't caused by people so there is nothing we can do"?

I don't think it's called global warming anymore, it's called climate change. Besides, I don't understand why it's ok for liberals to make fun of conservatives using "extreme snow" during winter as an argument against climate change but that liberals using exceptional heat during summer as an argument for climate change is ok. A few months of extra cold or heat is not enough to prove or disprove climate change. Last…

The solution is simple: nuclear energy. Thorium.

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by mikeash » Thu, Aug 20, 2015, 6:59 PM UTC

inversionOf wrote: post #136

mikeash wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe if you explained a little more, I could actually have a shot at understanding what you think the problem is.

This new record high for the month beat the previous record from 17 years ago , to begin. Do you really think you want to understand? Again, the irrational histrionics of so many to this discussion (such as the conflation of billions of years with a period of time that is a tiny, tiny sliver of human history, much less periods of the Earth). It is impossible to discuss nuances without the predictable, boorish stompin…

I don't understand what the fact that the previous record was 17 years prior has to do with my response, or your response to my response.

You're right, the discussion is mostly awful. Climate change has been turned into a political issue, and awful discussion is a predictable result of that.

On the other hand, I don't see how your comment improves that any.