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Re: SF author Greg Egan reviews Avatar

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Despite it being a rehash of Great Nature vs. Technological Fucking Civilization, Avatar has going for it a much better plot than Titanic , a completely hokey, treacly, implausible film that won eleven Oscars and is still uncontested in terms of box-office revenues .

This is better: All time box-office adjusted for inflation.

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

Gone with the Wind #1, Star Wars #2, The Sound of Music #3. Titanic #6.

Re: SF author Greg Egan reviews Avatar

#22
I thoroughly enjoyed Avatar. While its plot wasn't complex, deep, and enriching; it still had a plot. One that was blended well with other sub-plots. It also served well with the world building. The plot didn't distract from it and the eye candy didn't distract from the plot.

It was a perfect balance in my opinion for what it is. A beautiful film that is opening the doors for fresh and new science fiction (which has been lacking).

Re: SF author Greg Egan reviews Avatar

#23

What puzzles me is why, with their $237e6 budget, they couldn't afford a decent script.

So many expensive movies reportedly have terrible dialogue and scripts that there must be a reason other than the obvious. Maybe it's really, really hard to tell if a script is good before it's filmed? I dunno.

Re: SF author Greg Egan reviews Avatar

#24
post #2

Many of the reviews of Avatar have focused on the (over-)simplicity of the plot. I don't understand these people. Avatar is packed with so much visual confection that I could barely process half of what I was seeing; I wouldn't have had any brain left over to _understand_ a plot. Who cares about the plot? It's beautiful . Amazingly, wonderfully, brilliantly beautiful.

Complaining about the plot does seem like complaining about the font in a copy of War and Peace. Avatar is a combination of world-building and world-rendering on a scale never before seen.

I plan to see the film tomorrow, but the video game does give credit to the world-building aspect. I was quite ambivalent about the key materiel being called unobtainium at first, but after reading a backstory article, it seems quite appropriate. Perhaps the movie itself is just part of it, but overall he seems to have brought forth a detailed universe, even if it is only glossed over in the movie.

Re: SF author Greg Egan reviews Avatar

#25
post #2

Many of the reviews of Avatar have focused on the (over-)simplicity of the plot. I don't understand these people. Avatar is packed with so much visual confection that I could barely process half of what I was seeing; I wouldn't have had any brain left over to _understand_ a plot. Who cares about the plot? It's beautiful . Amazingly, wonderfully, brilliantly beautiful.

I would argue it is to do with the medium. The feature length film needs a plot to sustain interest, for me and apparently at least a few other people. If it's just a technology demo then it can be over and done with in 10 minutes - in Avatar they could have just started with the final battle. If Avatar were such a tech demo, then your comment would be unassailable, but as it is as a film is a bit lack-lustre.

Re: SF author Greg Egan reviews Avatar

#26

What puzzles me is why, with their $237e6 budget, they couldn't afford a decent script.

So many expensive movies reportedly have terrible dialogue and scripts that there must be a reason other than the obvious. Maybe it's really, really hard to tell if a script is good before it's filmed? I dunno.

Maybe that it's hard for the audience to tell if the script is good before they see the movie?

Re: SF author Greg Egan reviews Avatar

#27
I have a theory that artists do not have the same desires as the public. In cinema a bias towards cinematography and SFX could arise because the plot actually does not interest the artists as much as it perhaps should. Even a good plot will not remain interesting after many hours of work and so the artists lose sight of the prize and indulge themselves with technical aspects of their craft.

(This is not supposed to be a complete explanation of what led Avatar to lack in original plot and verisimilitude).

Re: SF author Greg Egan reviews Avatar

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post #2

Many of the reviews of Avatar have focused on the (over-)simplicity of the plot. I don't understand these people. Avatar is packed with so much visual confection that I could barely process half of what I was seeing; I wouldn't have had any brain left over to _understand_ a plot. Who cares about the plot? It's beautiful . Amazingly, wonderfully, brilliantly beautiful.

Egan gets your point entirely, and laments that it hasn't been put in service of something better. The best technology in the world deserves to be joined with a great script, not a severely impaired one.

All new technologies are first paired with non-risky material.

So they use a non-risky script, with nothing objectionable in it.

Once the technology matures you can use a better script. The price of better is that sometimes it's worse, that's why it's a risk. If it was a sure thing everyone would do it, but it's not easy to create something great. You can try, and sometimes you'll make it, and other times you'll flop.

Which is too much of a risk for a new technology - better to have something good enough, with little risk.

Remember: Everyone thinks what they are doing is great. But if you are wrong, and it's a flagship product you are doomed. For example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavens_Gate_(film)

Re: SF author Greg Egan reviews Avatar

#30

What puzzles me is why, with their $237e6 budget, they couldn't afford a decent script.

So many expensive movies reportedly have terrible dialogue and scripts that there must be a reason other than the obvious. Maybe it's really, really hard to tell if a script is good before it's filmed? I dunno.

See my reply here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1009207
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