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Re: Bootstrap 4 alpha

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There are much cheaper, well made templates available for bootstrap, e.g.: http://themeforest.net/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=bootstrap

Not the same thing. Have you tried to use any of these? How is their support? Documentation?

You do run into messy ones that you basically have to repair before you use, but those themes are often very high quality under the hood.

Re: Bootstrap 4 alpha

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post #140

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I hope this leads to a 'standard' way of developing Bootstrap-based templates. Something comparable to the submission guidelines on WrapBootstrap but codifying how a template's assets should be arranged, written, etc. Using Bootstrap as a base for new template designs was a major step forward for the template industry because customers aren't walking into a completely foreign codebase with each purchase. If that fami…

Why that standardization should be done a la Bootstrap and not any other framework?

Nobody is stopping other frameworks from taking up such an initiative.

Re: Bootstrap 4 alpha

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Not the same thing. Have you tried to use any of these? How is their support? Documentation?

You do run into messy ones that you basically have to repair before you use, but those themes are often very high quality under the hood.

Would that repair cost more than $99 of developer time? Probably.

Re: Bootstrap 4 alpha

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Any plan to support BEM?

No plans :).

I think it's a good idea to avoid "BEM" in such a mainstream project, since the naming pattern clearly puts some people off.

However, what about the problems that BEM tries to solve? Using a naming pattern to communicate structure (element E is a "child" of block B) is a good idea (instead of e.g. a descendant or a child selector) because of:

a) Performance: one class (e.g .blockB__elementE) will be faster to "match" by the browser than .blockB > .elementE /.blockB .elementE;

b) Less coupling to DOM structure: to have the desired style, element E doesn't necessarily have to a child of B.

Similar points can be applied to modifiers. A "btn--large" instead of "btn btn-large" seems like a good idea for performance and also to avoid conflicts (the latter class will override the first, but I wouldn't want to care with order).

Re: Bootstrap 4 alpha

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One amazing thing to note is that in v3.3.5 (last stable) bootstrap.min.css was at ~123kb. The new 4.0.0 alpha bootstrap.min.css is at ~88kb. WOW. That's just amazing. Congrats to everyone who worked on this project. I'm always so impressed with the work done on it! Also, I want to add, I don't care where you land on the side of the debate whether to use Bootstrap or not, there is some very smart minds behind the pro…

Thanks for noticing! :) I spent a lot of time deleting stuff lol. Still more to optimize around though as we work through the alphas.

Thanks!

Re: Bootstrap 4 alpha

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One amazing thing to note is that in v3.3.5 (last stable) bootstrap.min.css was at ~123kb. The new 4.0.0 alpha bootstrap.min.css is at ~88kb. WOW. That's just amazing. Congrats to everyone who worked on this project. I'm always so impressed with the work done on it! Also, I want to add, I don't care where you land on the side of the debate whether to use Bootstrap or not, there is some very smart minds behind the pro…

>>> I don't care where you land on the side of the debate whether to use Bootstrap or not. I used to be totally against Bootstrap for a myriad of reasons. Then I got hired to build a fairly complex transactional application for a large health care organization under a tight schedule. Bootstrap allowed me to get a UI up and running super fast with all the components I needed, out of the box. It literally saved me hund…

Just out of curiosity, what were your major reasons against using Bootstrap?

Re: Bootstrap 4 alpha

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post #34

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They only provide one type of license: http://themes.getbootstrap.com/pages/our-license It is comparable to the "Multiple Applications License" provided by WrapBootstrap. Still relatively expensive since most Multiple Applications Licenses are under $99.

Do I live in some sort of parrallel universe that thinks a well documented base design for dashboard/app that will presumably continue to mature for $99 is SUPER STINKING CHEAP? If this is officially supported by the Bootstrap project - this to me feels like a nuts deal.

At first, I was skeptical, but after looking at the completeness and quality of themes are and how well they are documented, I complete agree. This is an excellent deal, especially considering how much it would cost to hire someone to build something comparable for you. Even then, it will not be as well-documented.

Re: Bootstrap 4 alpha

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Also launching official bootstrap themes: http://themes.getbootstrap.com/collections/all Edit: unfortunately though, the 'dashboard' theme is not fully responsive (tables (order history) in mobile view)

Thought they would be written with BS4. I hope they will be upgraded eventually.
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