Earlier quoted context omitted.
Speaking of NSA, do you think Snowden's revelations were unethical or misguided?
No.
That was supposed to be rhetorical.
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#402The response to this this on Twitter would be beyond fucked- up if it weren't so completely predictable. People are posting direct links to the dump, screenshots of lists of emails, and statistics for classes of domains. The general reaction to the availability of the dump is reasonably characterized as "glee". But no matter what you think about Ashley Madison --- and I think A.M. is so comically scummy that I had tr…
Most people in here (I assume) think Snowden's leaks were ethic, though illegal. The reaction to The Fappening was likewise equal parts glee and disgust. Almost nobody would blink an eye at revealing a doxxing dump from a terrorist sympathizer or CP forum. Ethics are a subjective thing, and lines are hard to place.
> terrorist sympathizer or CP forum
The difference is that these two promote physical harm while cheating doesn't
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If you're blackmailable, or financially in dire straits, you should not hold a TS clearance. Seriously. End of story. If someone with a TS clearance ever has someone attempt to blackmail them, they're obligated to tell their boss and security officer(s).
It's a good thing the process for deciding who gets a clearance is completely foolproof....
Part of what makes the system work as well as it does is honesty. Honesty and integrity are two of the things that the clearance interviews look for.
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#405Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most people in here (I assume) think Snowden's leaks were ethic, though illegal. The reaction to The Fappening was likewise equal parts glee and disgust. Almost nobody would blink an eye at revealing a doxxing dump from a terrorist sympathizer or CP forum. Ethics are a subjective thing, and lines are hard to place.
If Snowden had just taken the documents and posted them online without any filtering, it would have been extremely unethical. It would have gotten people killed. But that's not what he did -- he enlisted reputable journalists to process the documents and make decisions about what was safe to release and what wasn't. Let's say the hackers in this situation wanted to prove that Avid Life Media was acting unethically --…
The spouses who believed they were in a monogamous marriage deserve a divorce and the chance to be with someone honest who cares about them.
I'm not sure how you see staying together blissfully unawares as the better option but then again I don't like children.
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I never argued that it was any less wrong in those states. My point in including that line was to demonstrate that I am not the only one who believes that cheating is a moral offense against your partner, worthy of at least some repercussion. In the eyes of 21 states, it is literally a crime. So my moralisms remain absolute, regardless of the other states. The fact remains that if these hackers had not lifted these d…
how do you know they betrayed anyone? Have you ever considered that people may have marriages that look differently from what you think marriage should be ? to the downvoters, have you ever heard of open marriages ?
If there are open marriages then the spouse that was not using this service would not have a problem.
Yes, the public knowing (if this bothered the open couple) is an injury.
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For me, at least, there is something that repulses me about the idea of a service that encourages violation of deep partner trust. It seems the opposite of "open" to me. On the other hand, I can also understand the argument for choice and privacy. But, without going deeper here, this type and method of choice and privacy stinks to my nose (if you understand my sense). I mean, seems like this site exists in a way wher…
yes, it may very well be bound to get hacked, that doesn't make the ones doing the hacking moral or ethical or anything of the sort.
I disagree, since the ethics and morality of this service itself is gray, then the ethics of exposing those using the service is at least somewhat gray, whether it breaks a law or not.
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This is a great comment, Thomas. I had an argument with my girlfriend about this. No matter what reasoning I used, no matter what I said, she could not agree that it was wrong that Ashley Madison (A.M.) was hacked. Her position was that marital infidelity is such a pubishable offense that the participants on A.M. deserve to be publicly outed. In her view, it was not even up for debate. She felt so powerfully about in…
The elevation of monogamy and closed relationships as the God-given natural status of a couple is the source of too many problems. Same for not living our own sexuality in the open. By acting like this (that is: like you are supposed to) you are constantly prone to blackmail. If you happen to have a wife that is entitled in her social-induced belief that even thinking about other women is good ground for the terminat…
You're using "that" when you should use "who": "a wife who", "a person who"
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FYI, for others reading this comment: The wrongful practice implied here is the stoning, not being gay. Took me awhile to figure that out. I almost went on a rant.
tl;dr: In this case, it is the people killing gays who are at fault for gays being killed. I see three parts. Engaging in gay relationships, the hackers releasing data, and the people who do the stoning. In the Manning/Snowden case, there are also three parts. The US doing bad things, Manning/Snowden releasing it, and other governments reacting. Now, in the Snowden/Manning case, media tries to place blame for 3 on 2…
Let's say that the star-bellied Sneetches are rounding up the plain-bellied Sneetches and sending them to -- well, you're not exactly sure where they're sending them, but none of them have ever come back.
Needless to say, the plain-bellied Sneetches don't think much of being rounded up, so they hide. A few star-bellied Sneetches sympathize with the plight of the plain-bellied Sneetches, and help them hide.
Your neighbor is such a Sneetch, but is not careful enough, and you find out that there are a half-dozen plain-bellied Sneetches hiding in her basement.
Fortunately, when the trucks come around at midnight, it's not your fault just because you've told everybody you know. It's the fault of those damn star-bellied Sneetches.
I'm not sure where this leaves Snowden and Manning. I would probably argue that they exposed a greater evil than might have been perpetrated as a result of their disclosures.
Impact Team, though -- snitchy Sneetches, all of them.
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#410The response to this this on Twitter would be beyond fucked- up if it weren't so completely predictable. People are posting direct links to the dump, screenshots of lists of emails, and statistics for classes of domains. The general reaction to the availability of the dump is reasonably characterized as "glee". But no matter what you think about Ashley Madison --- and I think A.M. is so comically scummy that I had tr…
People seem to miss the fact that the people who have signed up for this "dating" website aren't in a good place. They are missing something in their relationships, to the point where they are willing to look online for some level of fulfillment. I'm not justifying it, but I'm saying that there is a perspective that is being ignored.
And then there is the fact that most people don't seem to know that AM has the same business model as OK Cupid. You don't pay until you want to message someone. So, someone on a lonely night signs up for AM, forgets, and now their name is in a database when all they did was sign up, maybe search, but never took action. Now that person could lose their relationship.
Again, not defending these individuals, but offering an unpopular perspective.