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The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked
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#372Earlier quoted context omitted.
So the hack was wrong in the remaining 29 states? Sounds like moral relativism right there. In the US, justice must be pursued by legal means, else there's no case. These hackers just removed any chance of prosecution in the 21 states, because of tainted discovery.
I never argued that it was any less wrong in those states. My point in including that line was to demonstrate that I am not the only one who believes that cheating is a moral offense against your partner, worthy of at least some repercussion. In the eyes of 21 states, it is literally a crime. So my moralisms remain absolute, regardless of the other states. The fact remains that if these hackers had not lifted these d…
how do you know they betrayed anyone? Have you ever considered that people may have marriages that look differently from what you think marriage should be ?
to the downvoters, have you ever heard of open marriages ?
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#373The response to this this on Twitter would be beyond fucked- up if it weren't so completely predictable. People are posting direct links to the dump, screenshots of lists of emails, and statistics for classes of domains. The general reaction to the availability of the dump is reasonably characterized as "glee". But no matter what you think about Ashley Madison --- and I think A.M. is so comically scummy that I had tr…
"and come on, 98% of the people talking about this on Twitter barely recognize that [marital infidelity] as ethically problematic in the first place" What makes you say that? In my experience it is extremely rare to find anybody who thinks cheating on a partner is ethical, and I see no reason to think this particular group is any different. This is one of those things that most people feel very strongly about, and al…
> In my experience it is extremely rare to find anybody who thinks cheating on a partner is ethical
I'm half and half - I won't cheat on a partner (for various reasons) but if someone wants to cheat with me when I'm available and they're fully aware of the risks etc., I'm ok with that.
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#374Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm obviously a dick because I already sent automated messages to relatives of people in the hack indicating to them that they were potentially cheated on. Personally I would want to know so I share that information.
Personally I wouldn't want to know. We have an actual agreement on this, me and my wife: try not to cheat, but if it happens, do everything to keep the other from knowing. What you don't know can't hurt you -- or at least that's the basis for our arrangement for monogamy between fallible humans. I've heard many arguments for and against it -- the point is that it's OUR arrangement, and YOU have nothing to do with it.
>What you don't know can't hurt you
Let's say your partner cheated on you and they didn't tell you. Let's also say the person they cheated with lied about having an STD.
In this case, I claim that not knowing can not only damage your marriage but also damage your health.
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#375The list of .gov and State govt email accounts is public transparency. Someone should extract those and turn them over to Muckrock.
A thread above alleges that barack.obama@whitehouse.gov and tblair@labour.gov.uk were found in the data base. Do you really think those two leaders used or even signed up for AM?
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#376Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm a lot more worried about the identity theft implications of the leak than the "this will destroy the relationships of cheaters" implications. The cheaters deserve to be outed. Fuck 'em, let the world know their word is worthless. And as to the question as to whether they're actually cheating or not, let's be honest here - precisely nobody signed up for a site who's advertising and stated reason for existing is ex…
Honest question: why do cheaters "deserve to be outed?". I realize you'd be enraged if someone cheated on you. So would I. But what does it matter to you what other people do with their private lives? Do you think people struggling with alcoholism also deserve to be outed and publicly humiliated?
No one is wronged in the case of alcoholism. People are wronged in the case of cheating.
I don't see why cheaters should not be outed.
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#377On the bright side, the one thing this unfortunate incident will do is create an opening for many couples to reconcile, now that the truth is out.
"We cannot be facile and say bygones will be bygones, because they will not be bygones and will return to haunt us. True reconciliation is never cheap, for it is based on forgiveness, which is costly. Forgiveness in turn depends on repentance, which has to be based on an acknowledgment of what was done wrong, and therefore on disclosure of the truth. You cannot forgive what you do not know. - Desmond Tutu
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#378Earlier quoted context omitted.
Luckily, most of the entire human race agrees with me. Maybe you don't think it's inherently unethical to cheat on your partner. But it is certainly an act of questionable morality. In fact, it is literally illegal in many states: "Adultery isn't just a crime in the eyes of your spouse. In 21 states, cheating in a marriage is against the law, punishable by a fine or even jail time." You, and all of the other moral re…
human race used to agree on a lot of things we find incorrect today, so that's a pretty weak argument. But that aside, does it ? Do most people agree that the website shouldn't exist ? Anal sex was illegal in some states up until recently, that doesn't mean it's a good idea for it to be illegal The website doesn't force you to cheat on your partner, you could for example, let your partner know you are on it. Some peo…
For me, at least, there is something that repulses me about the idea of a service that encourages violation of deep partner trust. It seems the opposite of "open" to me.
On the other hand, I can also understand the argument for choice and privacy. But, without going deeper here, this type and method of choice and privacy stinks to my nose (if you understand my sense).
I mean, seems like this site exists in a way where one partner gets hurt. Even if the partner in-the-dark doesn't know about an affair, the effects of the affair will still have an impact. The cheater may also act out more often with a false sense of security and access provided by the app.
This thing is bound to be controversial, and bound to get hacked/exposed. Morals and business mix potently here.
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#379What is worrying about this is that some people are in real physical danger because of this leak. It probably seemed like fun and "social justice" for the hackers but it's not. There are people who live in countries where adultery is punishable by death. Likewise for being gay. There's already one person from Saudi Arabia who expressed his concerns on Reddit but there's likely to be a lot of other people affected. An…
Cry me a river. If you are that concerned about the actions of Saudi Arabia stop paying taxes; it is your tax-payer money and your government that props up that hideous regime.
You do not have the right to argue on behalf of the people of whom you sponsor oppression.
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#380I'm not sure if people realize how significant this hack is. We just might have seen the first public hack that will cause people to die or be physically hurt. Homosexuality is illegal in certain countries (like Saudi Arabia) and this hack might expose people to harm in these countries. Some reactions of spouses might also be violent. It looks like the reaction of most commenters is very different compared to when Ga…
>Homosexuality is illegal in certain countries (like Saudi Arabia) and this hack might expose people to harm in these countries. To me this is the same logic as saying that Manning/Snowden brought people to harm. Now if you already agree with that, no problem, but I wonder about people who follow this line of reasoning for this release but not for the Manning/Snowden releases.
> [...] but I wonder about people who follow this line of reasoning for this release but not for the Manning/Snowden releases.
I think it would be easy to argue that the leaks of Manning and Snowden are justified because they exposed illegal and reprehensible activity from the government; an entity that should be held to the highest moral standard.
Users of this site generally did nothing illegal and they wronged at most one other person each.