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Facebook Should Pay All of Us

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Re: Facebook Should Pay All of Us

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In other news: Google should pay all of us. Yahoo should pay all of us. ...

You're 100% correct. Except neither Google nor Yahoo have yet to figure out how to get people to give them the amount of personal information that Facebook has and does. I don't trust Google or Yahoo any more than I trust Facebook but at least the former two companies don't know about me what Facebook probably does. I say probably because I actually deleted my account several years ago and block their trackers. But I…

Google has far more personal information than Facebook.

Re: Facebook Should Pay All of Us

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I went to a conference last month where software vendors would do an RFID scan of your conference badge. My coworker (I do not have facebook) had companies that had scanned his badge show up on his Facebook advertisement feed the next day. To me, this was the real eye opener. Facebook doesn't just sell to advertisers the promise of groups of users. They can offer to sell to you, specifically, by name if they want to.

this is actually really easy - you can target adverts to anyone you have an email address for on Facebook - just upload a list of email addresses and you can "retarget" them

Re: Facebook Should Pay All of Us

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I'm not the biggest fan of FB or for the fact that I pretty much have to use it to keep up with friends and family these days. These are some things that you get in exchange for giving up your information: A place to store photos A platform to publish your photos A communications platform (Messenger) A platform to stay officially connected to things you "like" and their updates Near instant publication of your brain…

Email handles all of this just fine. All we ever needed was a good "whitepages" for email addresses.

Re: Facebook Should Pay All of Us

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I'm not the biggest fan of FB or for the fact that I pretty much have to use it to keep up with friends and family these days. These are some things that you get in exchange for giving up your information: A place to store photos A platform to publish your photos A communications platform (Messenger) A platform to stay officially connected to things you "like" and their updates Near instant publication of your brain…

I don't have a FB account and I get all those things. I also don't feel like "Some of the best engineering talent in the world working on the aforementioned" is a compelling reason to give away my personal information.

Yeah, but FB wins the hearts of ordinary people by providing convenience: all services are in one place and are simple to understand/use.

Re: Facebook Should Pay All of Us

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I'm not the biggest fan of FB or for the fact that I pretty much have to use it to keep up with friends and family these days. These are some things that you get in exchange for giving up your information: A place to store photos A platform to publish your photos A communications platform (Messenger) A platform to stay officially connected to things you "like" and their updates Near instant publication of your brain…

That's true. Facebook does give you something in return. In a way it's better than the new model we're seeing with these expensive home automation devices that upload everything to the cloud. In that case you pay for the privilege of installing a surveillance device.

I predict failure on a lot of that. The value provided is not sufficient to justify the cost alone, and then on top of that you add privacy concerns. That means I'm paying for a net negative.

Re: Facebook Should Pay All of Us

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I'm not the biggest fan of FB or for the fact that I pretty much have to use it to keep up with friends and family these days. These are some things that you get in exchange for giving up your information: A place to store photos A platform to publish your photos A communications platform (Messenger) A platform to stay officially connected to things you "like" and their updates Near instant publication of your brain…

I don't have a FB account and I get all those things. I also don't feel like "Some of the best engineering talent in the world working on the aforementioned" is a compelling reason to give away my personal information.

It's cool that you don't feel that way.

But is it fair to say that other people feel that way? And that's ok?

Re: Facebook Should Pay All of Us

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I'm not the biggest fan of FB or for the fact that I pretty much have to use it to keep up with friends and family these days. These are some things that you get in exchange for giving up your information: A place to store photos A platform to publish your photos A communications platform (Messenger) A platform to stay officially connected to things you "like" and their updates Near instant publication of your brain…

A platform to stay officially connected to things you "like" and their updates - This doesn't work for long time already. If you have liked something, you rarely see the updates anymore unless the page owners pay for Facebook. It's called Boosting now. Really sucks for small companies or communities, unless you pay - your page is dead. For me personally, Event management is the only thing it keeps me on Facebook. Par…

A lot of people seem to complain about this. Personally, as a user, I'm pretty okay with Facebook not showing every post from every page that I like in my news feed. If I really want to see every post from a page, I have options that are immediately available in the like dropdown of the page (either "add to interest lists", or "see first").

The thing is, in the current state of Facebook, wanting to hear everything that a page writes is an exception. As a user, I'm glad it isn't default anymore.

The problem is a combination of things. One problem is that there's pressure (from several potential sources, sometimes from Facebook's UI, sometimes social pressure from friends) to like too many pages. This has sort of diluted the meaning of a "Like" w/r/t a page.

Another big problem is that pages spam - some to the tune of several messages per day. I expect that most people who "Like" the pages that often get "Likes" (which appears to be largely big companies, bands, movies, etc.) don't actually want to see every one of these posts - they'd drown out the user's "Friends".

It is unfortunate for small business owners that things happened this way. Fortunately, really loyal fans should be more likely to listen to you when you ask them to subscribe to something outside of Facebook, or to do the extra couple clicks of adding to an interest list in Facebook. I expect, however, that some of the "loyal fan" base might be made up of (as mentioned before) people who liked the page out of social pressure.

Re: Facebook Should Pay All of Us

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Similarly, newyorker.com should pay us. Their site seems to be running Adobe DMP, revenue science, Facebook, google ads, parsely and pointroll, so they've certainly got quite a bit of info on us.

(Incidentally, privacy badger is a pretty nice plugin.)

Re: Facebook Should Pay All of Us

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The thing that so many people fail to realize is that the data isn't valuable in and of itself. Excluding the type of information that lets you steal identities (and therefore bank accounts), there's not much you can do with huge swaths of data. There's not really a market for sheer information. What makes Facebook (and other platforms that use your personal data) valuable is that they have both information about you…

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