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Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

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Yeah, I am constantly amazed and terrified of the kinds of shifts doctors and nurses do. I really do not understand how they manage to not make mistakes in such an environment. In Grey's Anatomy, you often see people taking a couple of hours sleep mid shift; is this generally accurate?

They do make mistakes. Hospital errors are the third leading cause of death in the U.S.

That's... crazy! Where can I read more about this?

Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

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Ok, so Amazon is a turd of an employer. The question in my mind is how do we stop this abuse? Do we (as workers) put out a letter that asks for net average 40 hour weeks and ask companies to sign on to it? Do we keep naming and shaming like this? Or?

I turned down my Amazon offer saying you are stock vesting plan is unfair. The recruiter's comeback was "We are all leaders here!" At least I tried.

what was unfair about it?

Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

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When they decide to fire you, the real reason is never said. They'll just think of some BS and you'll be out the door.

Exactly. In most states companies can fire you for any reason, or even no reason. And if there is a reason, they aren't obligated to disclose it.

Except when you're fired without cause, you can collect unemployment, which costs the company money. So they usually either need cause - which means documenting poor performance for several months - or they have to gain more money than unemployment costs by letting you go i.e. layoffs. If you're creating value for the company, even if it's not the extreme 80 hours per week value they want, it still makes more financial sense to keep you.

Yes, we have at-will employment, blah blah. It's no reason to be a pushover. If you're skilled enough to get a job at a place like Amazon, there's plenty of less insane places you could probably work.

Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

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post #96

Looking at this story (the wider Amazon story) it seems to me a lot of the value is getting extracted from employees in a sort of creeping way. So you might go to an interview where the manager says there's pager duty now and again, but it's not too intense. You get on the job, and it's a whole lot more intense than expected. You can't leave because you've just turned down a bunch of other offers and moved towns. You…

I just turned down an offer because of something like this. I went through a bunch of interviews and things seemed pretty peachy, until I interviewed with a guy (who'd have been a peer) who was probably way more candid than management would've liked. He said things like "I haven't gotten a raise in five years so make sure you negotiate hard when you come in", "I got an apartment close to the office so I can be here q…

> who was probably way more candid than management would've liked.

This is me in interviews. I ask for a private interview session and give the real lowdown. I refuse to become one of these assholes that drops all this PR speak and then you take the job and realize you've been misled. I air a little laundry and give real day-to-day stuff. I think it benefits everyone to be candid, at least towards the later stage of interviewing. There should be an informed "Do you really want this job" moment for someone considering the move.

>and even if this guy had a chip on his shoulder and was intentionally lying to me

He's most likely honest. He also doesn't want to hire a primdonna who is expecting a cush job.

Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

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post #159

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I chose a similar route because of perks and pay. My only fear is this choice hurting my future employment when I'll likely be discriminated due to age. I would imagine having Google or Facebook on my resume would surely make getting a job at age 50+ much easier.

That might sound crazy but on a software engineering salary, you can retire before 50 if you get used to spending little on food, transportation and shelter. My most favorite online resource on how to live frugally is this: http://earlyretirementextreme.com/how-i-became-financially-i... .

I followed this advice as well. Squirrelled away as much as possible, became financially independent. I'm 54 and I was laid off in November 2014 after 26 years at one company.

I would like to go back work, but the engineering job market in San Diego is awful. I can afford to be picky on who I want to work for. Needless to say this will extend your job search time with the current market conditions.

It could be that I might just have to retire if conditions remain the same for a long period of time. So be it, I'll just direct my energies to my open source hardware and software projects.

Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

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I turned down my Amazon offer saying you are stock vesting plan is unfair. The recruiter's comeback was "We are all leaders here!" At least I tried.

what was unfair about it?

Everyone else vests roughly 25% every year over 4 years.

Amazon was something like 15%/15%/30%/30% over 4. It's not very pro employee.

Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

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post #185

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I think this is very subjective. I am living on less than a thousand Swiss-Francs per month in one of the most expensive cities in the world (Zurich) and I do not feel that I am missing anything. I know, things will be very different when I have kids, but still.

You can achieve financial independence in: 33 * Cost of Living / (Salary - Cost of Living) Assuming for simplicity 3% real interest on investments once you stop working (which is close enough if you're trying to get out of the rat race quickly), and potentially infinite lifespan. So if your cost of living is $10k and you earn $100k you get: 330,000 / 90,000 -> less than four years. Great theory. I don't want to live…

Check out /r/financialindependence on Reddit one day.

While some people go the route of eating oatmeal and tuna every day, there are plenty of routes to financial independence that don't involve living a life devoid of nice things. It's less about never working again and more about having the freedom to choose what you want to do -- whether that's work for yourself without worrying about paying rent or working full time for someone else.

Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

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post #40

I have a four-week rotation on-call where I work. Pretty much the same workload as discussed in the article with it. Calls and text messages at 3am, can't be more than 15 minutes away from an internet connection (remote desktop software on Android is a godsend.) While it doesn't feel unbearable, and pays fairly well (at least for the area I'm in), it definitely has completely destroyed my sleep schedule. I no longer…

You CAN quit. We are in an industry where you have to dodge recruiters trying to tackle you on your way to get coffee if you have any technical skill. Recruiters that represent companies capable of paying your mortgage and some probably well needed vacations. Personally I have folded companies, quit jobs, and turned away opprotunities that represented substantially more than I make now. People have called these choic…

Optimize for a balance of work-life balance and bank account balance. You need both.

Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

#229

Ok, so Amazon is a turd of an employer. The question in my mind is how do we stop this abuse? Do we (as workers) put out a letter that asks for net average 40 hour weeks and ask companies to sign on to it? Do we keep naming and shaming like this? Or?

Employee unions have traditionally resolved such employer abuses like lowering the hourly wage by unpaid overtime. Thanks to this many western countries have contracts or even laws which forbid unpaid or mandatory overtime.

Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

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post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I chose a similar route because of perks and pay. My only fear is this choice hurting my future employment when I'll likely be discriminated due to age. I would imagine having Google or Facebook on my resume would surely make getting a job at age 50+ much easier.

That might sound crazy but on a software engineering salary, you can retire before 50 if you get used to spending little on food, transportation and shelter. My most favorite online resource on how to live frugally is this: http://earlyretirementextreme.com/how-i-became-financially-i... .

Another option is to retire early in a country with a much lower cost of living. You don't need to cut your costs to the bone for 20 years if you go to a place with a cost of living that costs one-third (or more) of what it costs where you currently live.
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