As I understand it, this does not mean you can power your laptop forever with a single charge, only that it can be recharged an indefinite number of times.
Right, they did not successfully rewrite the properties of matter and energy.
MIT discovers batteries with indefinite lifetimes using solid-state-electrolytes
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Re: MIT discovers batteries with indefinite lifetimes using solid-state-electrolytes
#52Let me guess: 3-5 years from hitting the market?
Re: MIT discovers batteries with indefinite lifetimes using solid-state-electrolytes
#53As I understand it, this does not mean you can power your laptop forever with a single charge, only that it can be recharged an indefinite number of times.
Cars, and maybe off-grid houses, are way more exciting than a laptop which becomes obsolete almost as fast as its battery wears off anyway.
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#54I have "battery breakthrough fatigue" so announcing a lab result isn't really going to get me excited. A licensing deal and a factory being built, much more exciting. Interesting challenge of the terms indefinite and infinite. I read it as batteries that may die may not after every action (which would actually be indeterminate batteries :-)) rather than an infinite number of cycles.
What seems to be the trouble getting some of these to market? There seems to plenty of demand.
Is this a "Who Killed the Electric Car" conspiracy thing? A VC thing? Or a vaporware/chemistry-is-hard thing?
Re: MIT discovers batteries with indefinite lifetimes using solid-state-electrolytes
#55I have "battery breakthrough fatigue" so announcing a lab result isn't really going to get me excited. A licensing deal and a factory being built, much more exciting. Interesting challenge of the terms indefinite and infinite. I read it as batteries that may die may not after every action (which would actually be indeterminate batteries :-)) rather than an infinite number of cycles.
What seems to be the trouble getting some of these to market? There seems to plenty of demand. Is this a "Who Killed the Electric Car" conspiracy thing? A VC thing? Or a vaporware/chemistry-is-hard thing?
I guess that most of these are a science journalism thing: http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive/phd051809s.gif
For example, there was news recently about a breakthrough discovery of a -70C superconductor. The media spun it as if loss-free electricity transport and maglev trains are just around the corner. But in reality, this material (Hydrogen Sulfide) required 2 million atmospheres of pressure for superconducting at this temperature.
No conspiracy or lack of funding is behind the lack of practical applications, in this case it is just utterly unfeasible outside of a laboratory. But even if the material will never make it to the market, it's still a scientific breakthrough that will give scientists new understanding of how the processes work, and perhaps lead to other discoveries with more practical applications in 2, 20 or 200 years.
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#56This is great. Batteries could at last hold sentimental value as we pass them on to our children. "my granddaddy gave this battery to my daddy, who gave it to me before he died" etc.
Seriously, when I think about battery tech advancement, I think about all those millions of people doing it tough in temporary communities and camps with limited power resources and inadequate infrastructure. I don't get tired of hearing about new battery tech.
Re: MIT discovers batteries with indefinite lifetimes using solid-state-electrolytes
#57I have "battery breakthrough fatigue" so announcing a lab result isn't really going to get me excited. A licensing deal and a factory being built, much more exciting. Interesting challenge of the terms indefinite and infinite. I read it as batteries that may die may not after every action (which would actually be indeterminate batteries :-)) rather than an infinite number of cycles.
What seems to be the trouble getting some of these to market? There seems to plenty of demand. Is this a "Who Killed the Electric Car" conspiracy thing? A VC thing? Or a vaporware/chemistry-is-hard thing?
What seems to be the trouble getting some of these to market?
Science.
Re: MIT discovers batteries with indefinite lifetimes using solid-state-electrolytes
#58Wake me up when they have an actual reasonably priced working product in the market. This is getting tiresome as "breakthrough" news piled up but we are still using almost 10 year old technology.
You might be sleeping a long time. I doubt this will see the light of day anytime in the near future. It goes against the current "planned obsolescence" model.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
What seems to be the trouble getting some of these to market? There seems to plenty of demand. Is this a "Who Killed the Electric Car" conspiracy thing? A VC thing? Or a vaporware/chemistry-is-hard thing?
I guess that most of these are a science journalism thing: http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive/phd051809s.gif For example, there was news recently about a breakthrough discovery of a -70C superconductor. The media spun it as if loss-free electricity transport and maglev trains are just around the corner. But in reality, this material (Hydrogen Sulfide) required 2 million atmospheres of pressure for superconductin…
But a -70C superconductor could theoretically be used in space environment where the temperatures are even colder, no?
Re: MIT discovers batteries with indefinite lifetimes using solid-state-electrolytes
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
What seems to be the trouble getting some of these to market? There seems to plenty of demand. Is this a "Who Killed the Electric Car" conspiracy thing? A VC thing? Or a vaporware/chemistry-is-hard thing?
I guess that most of these are a science journalism thing: http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive/phd051809s.gif For example, there was news recently about a breakthrough discovery of a -70C superconductor. The media spun it as if loss-free electricity transport and maglev trains are just around the corner. But in reality, this material (Hydrogen Sulfide) required 2 million atmospheres of pressure for superconductin…
A good battery specific coverage of this was http://www.amazon.com/The-Powerhouse-Inside-Invention-Batter...