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The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

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Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

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Question: what are the legalities for downloading and performing analysis on the dataset? The Washington Post has downloaded the dataset for journalism ( https://twitter.com/pbump/status/633844944105512964 ), but I would be interested in looking at the statistics in the data for visualization purposes; however, that likely doesn't fall under journalistic shield.

I'd like to know this too. I remember seeing a talk by Facebook on Youtube by their security team that they will download these datasets to see if Facebook users have used the same passwords so that they can protect accounts. It would be unfortunate if this was less than legal.

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

#53
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This is my first time to learn about Ashley Madison. The business model actually disgusts me. I get the whole open relationship, but people who are actually married or in a committed relationship are using this site is just ridiculous. Either you break off with your current relationship, or stay loyal. BTW, those "secure" logo are just so useless I see them as sign of weakness rather than confidence. Anyone can place…

I'm curious why so many are downvoting. Do you disagree that the business model is disgusting, or just think it's inappropriate to say so about a peer's startup? I'm very curious to know what HNers think about this.

I happen to agree that the business model is awful, but it's also sort of off-topic. The way in which I am displeased with someone who chooses to cheat on their spouse is very different from the way I am displeased with a company who makes money off of getting large numbers of people to cheat on their spouses, and this hack victimizes individuals more than the company. It's also very different from the way I am displeased (or really, not displeased) with someone who chose once, in a moment of weakness, to attempt to cheat on their spouse, and thought better of it shortly thereafter, or even someone who did cheat on their spouse, regretted it, apologized, and sought forgiveness. We have no idea from the data how many of those people still have email addresses and credit card numbers on file.

I do wish there was a way to distinguish between "Your facts are wrong," "I disagree with your opinion," "You're off-topic," or "You might be right and on-topic but you're not constructive" when downvoting, especially since HN norms are that the first two are appropriate uses of the downvote button. (I don't think it's very likely to be the last one, in this case.)

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

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This is my first time to learn about Ashley Madison. The business model actually disgusts me. I get the whole open relationship, but people who are actually married or in a committed relationship are using this site is just ridiculous. Either you break off with your current relationship, or stay loyal. BTW, those "secure" logo are just so useless I see them as sign of weakness rather than confidence. Anyone can place…

copy writing / psychology technique. it is super effective to have those secure logo to gain more users. just google copy writing hacks for landing pages. some of them give you their numbers and just imagine how big 1% of a conversion rate is for a big site. it is really fascinating stuff.

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

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Who know unless you had a profile there. One thing I found interesting was the suggestion from one of the comments that AM might be the ones dumping all the fake databases. If so this is a pretty clever strategy to try and hide a needle in a pile of needles.

Just as likely all the scammers and malware distributors in the world are also getting in on the act.

It certainly would be a good place to hide it - unlike most of these data dumps, you would be getting lots of unsophisticated people looking at them trying to workout if their name was in the dump.

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

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post #25

This is my first time to learn about Ashley Madison. The business model actually disgusts me. I get the whole open relationship, but people who are actually married or in a committed relationship are using this site is just ridiculous. Either you break off with your current relationship, or stay loyal. BTW, those "secure" logo are just so useless I see them as sign of weakness rather than confidence. Anyone can place…

I'm curious why so many are downvoting. Do you disagree that the business model is disgusting, or just think it's inappropriate to say so about a peer's startup? I'm very curious to know what HNers think about this.

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Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

#57

There's something poetic about people who use an Internet based service to commit adultery being exposed by crackers. With luck the fallout will break Ashley Madison too.

Repost from a different, and now I think abandoned, thread: I'm curious - I keep getting downvoted whenever I criticise Ashley Madison on the grounds of morality. Why is this? This isn't a whinge about downvoting (if I didn't want to get downvoted I wouldn't keep posting about A-M), but a genuine inquiry into the reasons. Is it that people see discussions of morality as off-topic for HN? Do people disagree with my mo…

Perhaps because people don't deserve to be punished by crackers? It's not guaranteed all users on there are harming society. It's not like it's, I dunno, Oracle getting internal documents leaked. Or Sony (and despite how bad Sony may be, some folks were rightfully concerned for the damage to innocent employees). Or BP or the USG.

Overall I find it rather funny, and I gotta wonder who the hell would use such a site with their real name and billing info. Though I'm not under any delusion that it's fair, or that it's justice, except against the company itself.

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious why so many are downvoting. Do you disagree that the business model is disgusting, or just think it's inappropriate to say so about a peer's startup? I'm very curious to know what HNers think about this.

I happen to agree that the business model is awful, but it's also sort of off-topic. The way in which I am displeased with someone who chooses to cheat on their spouse is very different from the way I am displeased with a company who makes money off of getting large numbers of people to cheat on their spouses, and this hack victimizes individuals more than the company. It's also very different from the way I am displ…

Thank you for that answer, which helped me see some larger issues at play.

Edit: although I also disagree that discussions of ethics and morality are off-topic for HN.

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

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There's something poetic about people who use an Internet based service to commit adultery being exposed by crackers. With luck the fallout will break Ashley Madison too.

You're making unwarranted assumptions about who uses the site. It is marketed at cheating spouses but there are plenty of people on there who are single, in open marriages etc.

Don't forget cuckolds. There is actually a whole group of people who enjoy the thought of their S/O's cheating on them.
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