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Re: OnHub

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Post by thenipper »

josteink wrote: post #290
thenipper wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quality of Service is when the router shapes the traffic making sure all devices on the network get their 'fair' share so to speak. It can prioritize traffic depending on application and use. So you could deprioritize streaming video for instance if you want to make sure that your skype call went through. This takes some processing power which not all routers have a lot of. This link covers it a bit more in depth: ht…

> This takes some processing power which not all routers have a lot of. I've set up and hand rolled my own Linux-based routers in the past on cheap leftover hardware (first gen Celeron). Adding QoS introduced literally zero noticeable CPU overhead. I'm not saying you're wrong but you're clearly overselling the computational cost of this feature.

Fair enough! I've never really delved too deeply into it as most of the time the stuff I deal with is pretty simple. Though some other comments parallel to mine seem to agree with me

Re: OnHub

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Post by jkestner »

crabasa wrote: post #482
astrocyte wrote: post #321

My biggest issue with this is that Google wants to inject a piece of hardware into my home that acts as the gateway to my data. A device through which all : > Incoming data runs through > Internal data runs through > Outgoing data runs through And then wants to be vague about what data they will be pumping to their back-end for analytics/data mining. I have had a long standing proposal for home automation and I'm cur…

I don't think there will be a significant market for your idea. One of the most rapidly adopted technologies of the 20th century is Color Television [1] and it still commands 36% of our attention [2]. Consumers have made it crystal clear that they are willing to trade their time and data for lower prices and more convenience. Watch the commercial on that landing page. It couldn't be targeted less at technical people.…

False choice. It's not impossible to make something that tastes good and is also good for you. Some people find that Apple products are desirable, and incidentally, Apple provides a relatively high level of privacy.

But you can never expect Google to provide such a product as long as it makes money off your data. Maybe it needs to be under a different letter of the Alphabet.

Re: OnHub

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Post by montecarl »

josteink wrote: post #290
thenipper wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quality of Service is when the router shapes the traffic making sure all devices on the network get their 'fair' share so to speak. It can prioritize traffic depending on application and use. So you could deprioritize streaming video for instance if you want to make sure that your skype call went through. This takes some processing power which not all routers have a lot of. This link covers it a bit more in depth: ht…

> This takes some processing power which not all routers have a lot of. I've set up and hand rolled my own Linux-based routers in the past on cheap leftover hardware (first gen Celeron). Adding QoS introduced literally zero noticeable CPU overhead. I'm not saying you're wrong but you're clearly overselling the computational cost of this feature.

My router is a Asus RT-N16. It has a 480 MHz Broadcom BCM4716 chip. It uses 100% of the CPU just do to NAT on my 100 mbps connection. Doing QoS on it is out of the question. As is doing VPN at those speeds.

You are right. It isn't that much CPU, but with modern connection speeds (>=100 mbit) you actually need a half way decent CPU. Your old Celeron was probably routing a < 10 mbps connection.

Re: OnHub

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Post by ketralnis »

I had an original Google TV. They appear to have all but dropped that project, and in the process my device has become terrible to use. I don't know how it actually got worse, but it did. I bought an Apple TV to replace it and I'm reasonable happy with it.

I wouldn't buy first or even second gen hardware from Google.

Re: OnHub

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Post by jkestner »

georgemcbay wrote: post #459
dysoco wrote: post #364

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I'm going to make a guess and say that this is going to sell just because it's Google branded.

I'm not buying it precisely because it is Google branded. Unlike most of the comments here it isn't a privacy issue for me, I totally respect the privacy argument but personally just don't care enough to make decisions based on it... for me, the issue is that when I think of Google and hardware I think of the Nexus Q, Google TV, etc. Google suddenly (and relatively quickly) drops projects like this on a fairly regula…

What _is_ the longest-lived wholly Google hardware out there?

Re: OnHub

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Post by thebouv »

Privacy issues aren't even the first thing I worry about with OnHub.

What I worry about is it being another project from Google that dies and leaves me with a brick cause it doesn't update any more. Or it is so connected, that when they kill the backend services, then it is a brick.

Re: OnHub

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Post by ivanca »

Albright wrote: post #506
astrocyte wrote: post #321

My biggest issue with this is that Google wants to inject a piece of hardware into my home that acts as the gateway to my data. A device through which all : > Incoming data runs through > Internal data runs through > Outgoing data runs through And then wants to be vague about what data they will be pumping to their back-end for analytics/data mining. I have had a long standing proposal for home automation and I'm cur…

Oh, come on. Just connect your Google router to your Google fiber connection and connect to it with your smartphone or laptop running a Google operating system and Google browser. Visit your Google home page (using Google's DNS servers, of course) to read your Google Mail, or perhaps catch up on the news with Google News, or use Google+ to see what your friends are up to, or get a little work done on Google Docs. Sho…

The NSA should stop the charade and just buy Google and Facebook already. They already have us by the balls, lets at least make it official and make the world embrace the heroic and always rightful eye of the US government.

Re: OnHub

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Post by placeybordeaux »

x5n1 wrote: post #480
TeMPOraL wrote: post #327

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I'm very interested. The whole idea of home automation (and most of IoT) over cloud is absurd. The devices in your home should not communicate by sending packets around the entire globe. The data should never leave your internal network unless explicitly meant to (web interfaces are cool and all, and you want to have remote access). I'm actually somewhat surprised people don't seem how wrong the current model is, but…

Google's model of how it wants computing to work is fundamentally flawed and now it's infected Microsoft. Really the only shelter is Linux, when will the ignorant masses wake up and realize this?

Honestly why should someone that is tech illterate really care?

Its a pretty big hassle

Re: OnHub

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Post by TD-Linux »

andrewla wrote: post #184

From [1] Get started Welcome! To set up your OnHub, you’ll also need: Google account Android or iOS device Broadband connection Google account? That seems like an unnecessary requirement for a router. [1] https://on.google.com/hub/support/#get-started

Not only that, why do I need an Android or iOS device? Are we too hip for web configuration pages now?
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