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Re: OnHub

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post #94

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any plastic router has some sort of QoS build in. This seems to have a nicer UI though.

"any plastic router has some sort of QoS build in"... that doesn't work. If you don't have an expensive product, do some tests with and without the router's QoS. You'd be better of with a raspberry Pi doing QoS in most cases.

Agreed. Found that none of the routers I've ever bought came with QoS that actually worked, or at least made a noticeable difference.

Re: OnHub

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The 13 antennas and form factor is kind of cool, but after that I'd rather install OpenWrt and if going for home automation, my own server.

Wonder how rootable Google will leave it.

Re: OnHub

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(Disclaimer: I work for the same former-division-of-Google-and-now-Alphabet-subsidiary that built this, though I don't work on OnHub.) I think you need an account for cloud-based configuration, credential sharing, etc. Maybe it's not for everyone, but I think it makes sense as a product. I highly doubt they added a Google account requirement to improve ad targeting.

Their privacy policy seems open ended enough to indicate otherwise. Using this router allows Google to collect a HECK of a lot of data about your Internet usage.

No it doesn't? https://support.google.com/onhub/answer/6279845

Re: OnHub

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post #278

I have a new-ish Tp-Link router that's been driving me utterly batty, so I'm looking forward to Google getting into this game. Hope they develop a full line of products, like having a second device for range-boosting.

Just an FYI, this is a TP-Link router that is being rebranded by Google. (TP-Link TGR1900)

Re: OnHub

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Disclaimer: I work for the same former-division-of-Google-and-now-Alphabet-subsidiary that built this, though I don't work on OnHub.) I think you need an account for cloud-based configuration, credential sharing, etc. Maybe it's not for everyone, but I think it makes sense as a product. I highly doubt they added a Google account requirement to improve ad targeting.

Thanks, but shouldn't these features be optional? I still don't get why I need a Google Account.

The router is cloud configured from your mobile device, that is how it works.

Some cloud services for the device are actually optional. But AFAIK you still need a Google Account.

Here is the help page on the topic of data collection and privacy:

https://support.google.com/onhub/answer/6246642?hl=en&ref_to...

And see also, how to set a whole bunch of privacy settings:

https://support.google.com/onhub/answer/6279845?vid=1-635755...

Disclaimer: I work on the project. I am not a spokesperson or legal or marketing, or anything like that.

Re: OnHub

#286

> For initial setup, the Google On app on a device with Android 4.0 or higher or iOS 7 or higher is required. Bah! What's wrong with my Thinkpad?

Adding support for Linux/OSX/Windows is probably not a priority for them to get this thing off the ground.

How about, eh, you know... Web based? No need for this platform-specific bullshit.

Last I heard Google was pretty good at creating good web applications.

Re: OnHub

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post #41

Very interesting. From looking at the specs, it looks like they're packaging a server and marketing it as a router. The configuration app is a very nice touch, routers have always a pain to configure. I'd love to stick this in my apartment (even though I can only receive a maximum of 10mb/s). As a side note, I'm surprised this isn't marketed alongside the Nest branch. It really has the look and feel of Nest products…

To understand why certain products, which are seemingly unrelated to Google's core competency, have stayed with Google and haven't moved on to Alphabet, or why Google created a product such as OnHub and not Nest, you have to realize why all of these product are under Google - to track all the data that goes through them under the same generic/unified "privacy" policy, and then feed it into its advertising system. Tha…

For clarity:

Here is the help page on the topic of data collection and privacy: https://support.google.com/onhub/answer/6246642?hl=en&ref_to.... And see also, how to set a whole bunch of privacy settings: https://support.google.com/onhub/answer/6279845?vid=1-635755.... Disclaimer: I work on the project. I am not a spokesperson or legal or marketing, or anything like that.

Re: OnHub

#289

Interesting - but I'm not sure what this gives me over something in a similar price range, for example: http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC68U-Wireless-AC1900-Dual-Band-Gig... Presumably either you know something about routers and want to enable QoS, install your own firmware, or use some other advanced feature - and you spend money on a decent router. Or you don't, and use whatever your ISP provides (which if it's bad, you…

The AC68U is the perfect AP for the discerning user who enjoys going into the basement every two weeks to reboot things.

I have the batman router for more than a year and I've power cycled it once. Realistically I don't know if the problem was with the modem, the router or my computer.

Re: OnHub

#290
post #42

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Can you explain that? What's QOS, how much CPU does it take to run well, and why don't other expensive routers have the power for fast internet?

Quality of Service is when the router shapes the traffic making sure all devices on the network get their 'fair' share so to speak. It can prioritize traffic depending on application and use. So you could deprioritize streaming video for instance if you want to make sure that your skype call went through. This takes some processing power which not all routers have a lot of. This link covers it a bit more in depth: ht…

> This takes some processing power which not all routers have a lot of.

I've set up and hand rolled my own Linux-based routers in the past on cheap leftover hardware (first gen Celeron). Adding QoS introduced literally zero noticeable CPU overhead.

I'm not saying you're wrong but you're clearly overselling the computational cost of this feature.

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