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Re: Why is Bitcoin forking?

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This is common with many things now. The people in the know are treated like gods that cant be wrong. The global warming debate comes to mind.

The global warming debate is long settled by pretty much everyone doing research in that area. If that is an example to your case, you didn't make it very well.

This guy picks apart many of the global warming 'studies' as non-scientific and has some really good counter-examples, which is actual science:

http://www.climate-skeptic.com/

There was a study about butterflies migration and everyone just took it as fact that it was due to climate change. When another study came out proving that it was wrong (with more science), the original study was never withdrawn and is still used to this day as an example of climate change.

It's not even a debate that CO2 is causing warming. It's that CO2 isn't causing it at anything near a catastrophic rate.

It's used by the likes of Al Gore to make billions from things like carbon credits and the politicians to attack their political opponents. It's not the first time the scientific community was used as pawns in someone else's game.

So much of the data is either: changed, doctored, or even hidden (climate gate brought out many issues with some of the leading climate scientists and showed that much of the data isn't actually being peer reviewed. I thought this would bring about a discussion about real science...but it was covered up and scoffed at by the scientific community because it made them look bad.

We are spending so much money on global climate change, while ignoring many other pollutants that might actually save some of the environmental disasters that we have created(which cost much less to fix).

You don't have to be a climate scientist to see bullshit science. I was part of the academic world for many years and it's unbelievable how much politics plays into the research that is published. It's why I left it forever.

This post will probably be modded down. Mostly because when something against the narrative is posted here on HN, it's not even discussed. The person who posted it is bullied into submission or silenced because you not only can't see something you disagree with, you can't bear to have someone else see it either.

I see it as the tactics of the intellectually inferior. Those insecure people that can't have ideas discussed freely and without prejudice because it goes against their core beliefs.

Even the name 'climate skeptic' is a pejorative used to make the other person look like they are an idiot that knows nothing about the climate or science. This has no place in science. Science should not be about personal and ad hominem attacks.

That's the funny thing: I'm demanding more science and the climate change zealots are basically saying that the science is 'settled'. The science is never 'settled'. When it is, it's called religion.

I'm sick and tired of politics ruling over science and you should be too.

Re: Why is Bitcoin forking?

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"Dr. Hoenikker used to say that any scientist who couldn't explain to an eight-year-old what he was doing was a charlatan." - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle The argument that "I understand this and you don't, so you don't get a vote" seems like a lazy way to suppress democratic process. A better alternative is, "This might seem complicated, but really it's not; here's a simple but complete explanation to help you make a…

Right, it's completely ridiculous that I had to study for months to understand the transport properties of a nabotube with magnetic contacts, after having studied for years to obtain the base knowledge to start that project. The prof should have been able to explain that to me when I was 8 years old. Obviously he doesn't understand his stuff and neither do I. Or could it maybe, just maybe, be that it is entirely reas…

Do you see anything redeeming about the quote? It seems problematic if something like this can be so political but be impervious to the logical debate an 8yo can engage in, no?

Re: Why is Bitcoin forking?

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There are several different implementations of the protocol, nobody controls "THE" codebase.

But all of the different implementations require the same centralization.

What do you mean? The only thing that matter is what application the users employ. The people who convince the most people to use their protocol/implementation "win" (or they have the strongest fork or whatever). I don't see where centralization enters into the equation?

Re: Why is Bitcoin forking?

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But all of the different implementations require the same centralization.

What do you mean? The only thing that matter is what application the users employ. The people who convince the most people to use their protocol/implementation "win" (or they have the strongest fork or whatever). I don't see where centralization enters into the equation?

Yes, your point is valid.

Re: Why is Bitcoin forking?

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Right, it's completely ridiculous that I had to study for months to understand the transport properties of a nabotube with magnetic contacts, after having studied for years to obtain the base knowledge to start that project. The prof should have been able to explain that to me when I was 8 years old. Obviously he doesn't understand his stuff and neither do I. Or could it maybe, just maybe, be that it is entirely reas…

Do you see anything redeeming about the quote? It seems problematic if something like this can be so political but be impervious to the logical debate an 8yo can engage in, no?

You imply that a logical debate is somehow 'better' than a political debate. That's a category mistake: those two are incomparable. They necessarily coexist, because they are about different things.

Politics is about ethics. In this case: the ethical consequences of certain technical choices (under which I include a consideration like 'I will make less money'). (Expert) knowledge of the technical choice itself is mostly irrelevant for those parts of the debate. We can discuss the military merits of e.g. nuclear weapons until kingdom come, but if I'm opposed to them on humanitarian grounds, no amount of technical merits will convince me.

As for the quote, it depends on context. In a context where expert knowledge is necessary to make useful contributions to the debate, there is nothing redeeming in the quote. It merely encourages people to be disrupt it. In the more general context where you ask a researcher to be able to explain his work: of course he should be able to dumb it down. But not for the purposes of subsequently engaging in fruitful discussion with him.

Re: Why is Bitcoin forking?

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Do you see anything redeeming about the quote? It seems problematic if something like this can be so political but be impervious to the logical debate an 8yo can engage in, no?

You imply that a logical debate is somehow 'better' than a political debate. That's a category mistake: those two are incomparable. They necessarily coexist, because they are about different things. Politics is about ethics. In this case: the ethical consequences of certain technical choices (under which I include a consideration like 'I will make less money'). (Expert) knowledge of the technical choice itself is mos…

Politics is about ethics? Yes, well, do you think an eight year old can look words up in the dictionary? Yes, of course you do. Well I argue that's all it takes, essentially, beyond that an eight year old needs some time, to answer some questions of their own, to be lectured at about the implications. But, an 8yo is perfectly capable of making the right choice, given context/access to information.

And, I'll additionally argue that technical merits can convince someone opposed on humanitarian grounds, the two are not incomparable, we do these sorts of comparisons just fine in the real world.

You are attempting to modularise the argument in a way I find unpalatable is all, our differences are likely surface deep.

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