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Re: Facebook 1: 0 Simon Cowell - Rage Against The Machine is UK #1 single for Xmas

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I'm sure Simon is crying all the way to the bank over this.

I think the real point is that it puts the next series of xFactor in jeopardy.

It's a signal that a lot of the public are sick to death of the formulaic rubbish tossed out by these reality shows.

So if I was Simon, I'd be pretty worried now.

Re: Facebook 1: 0 Simon Cowell - Rage Against The Machine is UK #1 single for Xmas

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Why we might care: for the last several years the winner of Cowell's reality TV show has been propelled immediately to #1 in time for the culturally-significant-for-Brits Xmas Top 40. This year a backlash campaign to shove 'Killing in the Name' above it took off on Facebook and, in an unlikely outcome, the people who joined the group actually followed through and bought the RATM track during the correct time window.…

Strange how this explanation changes a flagged post into a genuinely interesting one.

I always held the suspicion that there is a difference between good and bad writing.

Re: Facebook 1: 0 Simon Cowell - Rage Against The Machine is UK #1 single for Xmas

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post #21
post #3

I'm sure Simon is crying all the way to the bank over this.

I think the real point is that it puts the next series of xFactor in jeopardy. It's a signal that a lot of the public are sick to death of the formulaic rubbish tossed out by these reality shows. So if I was Simon, I'd be pretty worried now.

I'm not sure he's quivering in his boots. Even if The X Factor goes down the pan (and it's past its prime, I'd agree), he still has Britain's Got Talent and American Idol raking in the cash pretty quickly.

Re: Facebook 1: 0 Simon Cowell - Rage Against The Machine is UK #1 single for Xmas

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Personally I don't care about the views of Simon Cowell. I doubt that the music charts accurately reflect what people are actually listening to, due to the diversity of ways in which music can now be obtained and played.

The UK chart is quite representative of music purchases, compared to most national charts, as it includes downloads from all of the major players. That doesn't cover piracy, free downloads, or certain types of streaming (e.g. Spotify) but has a significant reach IMHO.

Re: Facebook 1: 0 Simon Cowell - Rage Against The Machine is UK #1 single for Xmas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is slightly more to it than just centralized vs distributed. Consider the demographics. X-Factor viewers as a group are probably poorer, older and less educated* than Facebook users. The recent cold spell, the BBC speculates, meant fewer people who would have bought the X-factor single could get to a store to do so - even if a Facebooker wanted a physical CD, he or she would simply order it from Amazon and not…

What are you estimating as the demographics for each? As a 30 something alternative music type the RATM campaign was big on my facebook page. At least back in 2007 the xfactor was big with the 16-34 age group. So about the same age group, I'd have thought. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1560802/X-Factor-back... Poorer, I'm not sure. The Xfactor crowd does seem less geeky/bookish than the ratm crowd, from the…

I'm talking about the single-buyers. Lots of people watch these talent shows just for the trainwrecks. The people who take the X-factor seriously are the sort of people who'd watch a show just because it's presented by Ant and Dec... The people who buy whatever mass-produced focus-grouped auto-tuned rubbish the singles chart is normally full of.

I'd imagine the other sort of person who'd buy a single by "Joe" is the same demographically who'd buy one by say Cliff Richard.

Re: Facebook 1: 0 Simon Cowell - Rage Against The Machine is UK #1 single for Xmas

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the real point is that it puts the next series of xFactor in jeopardy. It's a signal that a lot of the public are sick to death of the formulaic rubbish tossed out by these reality shows. So if I was Simon, I'd be pretty worried now.

I'm not sure he's quivering in his boots. Even if The X Factor goes down the pan (and it's past its prime, I'd agree), he still has Britain's Got Talent and American Idol raking in the cash pretty quickly.

True, but I do think the age of the reality/kareoke show is nearing a close (Thankfully).

Big brother is gone, hopefully xfactor+britains got freaks, I think the public have grown absolutely sick of the same cheap TV.

Re: Facebook 1: 0 Simon Cowell - Rage Against The Machine is UK #1 single for Xmas

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post #25
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you estimating as the demographics for each? As a 30 something alternative music type the RATM campaign was big on my facebook page. At least back in 2007 the xfactor was big with the 16-34 age group. So about the same age group, I'd have thought. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1560802/X-Factor-back... Poorer, I'm not sure. The Xfactor crowd does seem less geeky/bookish than the ratm crowd, from the…

I'm talking about the single-buyers. Lots of people watch these talent shows just for the trainwrecks. The people who take the X-factor seriously are the sort of people who'd watch a show just because it's presented by Ant and Dec... The people who buy whatever mass-produced focus-grouped auto-tuned rubbish the singles chart is normally full of. I'd imagine the other sort of person who'd buy a single by "Joe" is the…

Weird, I always though of xfactor single-buyers as young people (future pop wannabees) hoping to catch a bit of the star factor of the people they had been voting for.

Looking for more data I came across this

http://www.bpi.co.uk/members-area/article/bpi-statistical-ha...

It suggests that in 2008 95% of singles were downloaded. So I doubt the weather had much to do with it. Still no demographics on who actually buys cds normally though.

Re: Facebook 1: 0 Simon Cowell - Rage Against The Machine is UK #1 single for Xmas

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post #21
post #3

I'm sure Simon is crying all the way to the bank over this.

I think the real point is that it puts the next series of xFactor in jeopardy. It's a signal that a lot of the public are sick to death of the formulaic rubbish tossed out by these reality shows. So if I was Simon, I'd be pretty worried now.

If most people hate it, but a significant number of people love it, it will still get the go ahead.

I can't see that the number of people hating it has changed that much. Surely there aren't that many people who used to love it, and now hate it, nothing in the format has changed.

Now, why should those who hate it do any more than skip watching it? Why should they wreck it for the people who do like it? I don't understand this.

Also, the people who hate it don't really are about the strange Brit phenomemenom of xmas albums, they would likewise ignore it.

I am not sure what this is about, other than showing that people hate this show, although this was pretty obvious from the beginning.

Re: Facebook 1: 0 Simon Cowell - Rage Against The Machine is UK #1 single for Xmas

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post #18

Why we might care: for the last several years the winner of Cowell's reality TV show has been propelled immediately to #1 in time for the culturally-significant-for-Brits Xmas Top 40. This year a backlash campaign to shove 'Killing in the Name' above it took off on Facebook and, in an unlikely outcome, the people who joined the group actually followed through and bought the RATM track during the correct time window.…

Strange how this explanation changes a flagged post into a genuinely interesting one.

If the submission can't be understood within its own context, then the title should indeed have been more explicit.
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