I pretty much agree with Marc Andreessen, on each point. Instead of attempting to paraphrase his points, just watch:
http://www.cnbc.com/2014/06/05/snowden-a-traitor-andreessen....
Edward Snowden at IETF 93
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Re: Edward Snowden at IETF 93
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is something reasonable people can disagree about. The rule of law should apply to everyone equally. I get that Ed Snowden is a likable guy and the documents he released may even have been a force of positive change in the world, but that doesn't necessarily absolve him of having to face trial. You can't go easy on him just because you agree with his politics. Our whistleblowing laws are woefully inadequ…
Ok, many members of the Bush administration ordered torture and medical experimentation on human beings, a flat out war crime. James Clapper lied under oath to Congress. Hillary Clinton kept classified material on a personal server at her house. These are all serious crimes with plenty of publicly available evidence that they were committed. The people who committed them are all inside the country and easy to find, s…
I think all those people should be investigated and, if there's evidence, prosecuted. I've never said differently. But Hillary Clinton's email server truly has nothing to do with Edward Snowden. She was not involved in the crimes he is alleged to have committed so it has no bearing on his case.
Re: Edward Snowden at IETF 93
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok, many members of the Bush administration ordered torture and medical experimentation on human beings, a flat out war crime. James Clapper lied under oath to Congress. Hillary Clinton kept classified material on a personal server at her house. These are all serious crimes with plenty of publicly available evidence that they were committed. The people who committed them are all inside the country and easy to find, s…
I think all those people should be investigated and, if there's evidence, prosecuted. I've never said differently. But Hillary Clinton's email server truly has nothing to do with Edward Snowden. She was not involved in the crimes he is alleged to have committed so it has no bearing on his case.
It does have a bearing on Edward Snowden given that we demonstrably do NOT have actual rule of law. The intelligence agencies have clearly compromised the integrity of our justice system, which ensures Snowden would not be treated fairly.
Until the system can show it's worthy of our trust by pursuing powerful people who flagrantly violate the law in the public view, there is no reasonable argument that Snowden should be subjected to its plainly unequal notion of justice.
Re: Edward Snowden at IETF 93
#124The interview would've probably been a lot more fruitful if questions centered around what he knows about the surveillance capabilities of the agencies he was involved with, in technical detail, than asking for his opinions on technology policy, an area where he is admittedly not an expert.
Other people came away with similar thoughts. Perhaps we'll hear more about that from him in other channels.
I thought that Snowden stated that he's not going to leak anything further? He handed it off to the journalists and he's done. I remember this being part of his conditions for asylum in Russia, but I could be mistaken.
I wouldn't expect him to leak anything or discuss government capabilities beyond what has already been leaked. That was never his stated intention. Involving journalists was deliberate on his part to remove himself from being final decision-maker about what to publish.
Re: Edward Snowden at IETF 93
#125I like Snowden's final conclusion: > if the internet and technology does become a danger to us in the future, it's our own fault because we decided not to participate and we let other groups and other influences to decide for us rather than being part of it [...] Before that, he argues that more people should involve themselves more in the IETF and similar groups: > [...] However, when you look at the IETF, they lite…
>>> if the internet and technology does become a danger. Not sure what his context for this is, but one could easily argue we're already here.
The context is the last question, asked by journalist Monika Ermert:
> So hi-tech is likely always going to be a domain where a few experts will have the knowledge to understand and control the system. Could it be that the use of hi-tech fundamentally undermines democratic society or kind of – how can we do something to educate users or...
Re: Edward Snowden at IETF 93
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think all those people should be investigated and, if there's evidence, prosecuted. I've never said differently. But Hillary Clinton's email server truly has nothing to do with Edward Snowden. She was not involved in the crimes he is alleged to have committed so it has no bearing on his case.
It does have a bearing on Edward Snowden given that we demonstrably do NOT have actual rule of law. The intelligence agencies have clearly compromised the integrity of our justice system, which ensures Snowden would not be treated fairly. Until the system can show it's worthy of our trust by pursuing powerful people who flagrantly violate the law in the public view, there is no reasonable argument that Snowden should…
> there is no reasonable argument that Snowden should be subjected to its plainly unequal notion of justice.
Couldn't everyone accused of any crime use that excuse?
Re: Edward Snowden at IETF 93
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
While he shouldn't be absolved... he shouldn't be charged with war crimes or espionage in this case. There are many other things he could be charged with allowing for a reasonable defense.
War crimes? That seems like a stretch. He's charged with theft of gov't property, unauthorized communication of national defense information, and willful disclosure of classified intelligence. You can view the charging document here: http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/world/us-vs-edwar... What is the more appropriate charge you think should have been levied instead?
Look at section 793... IIRC that can carry the death penalty.
Re: Edward Snowden at IETF 93
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
"... armour the requests themselves to make sure that they don't become the new vector, they don't become manipulated." I interpreted this to mean encrypting each DNS packet. Maybe I misread the statement? DNSSEC of course does not protect the contents of the packet. Instead, DNSSEC more or less is just another CA system (or an adjunct to the existing one), running over UDP.
That would be DPRIVE, which he mentioned as well -- http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dprive/charter/
Well, at least they are acknowledging the need.
I use my own cache, not shared with anyone. Do I really need to worry about snooping?
I also use CurveDNS with the authoritative server that serves my version of the root.zone.
Practicing my CurveDNS skills for that day when more authoritative servers are using curvedns. Not sure that day will ever come.
Re: Edward Snowden at IETF 93
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not just prison, the "Espionage Act of 1917", which is he charged with, has death penalty as a possible punishment. And it is pretty clear that he is guilty of this law. Not much room for whistleblowers in a wartime law.
The US has promised not to seek the death penalty if he returns to face trial.
they also promised the monitoring wouldn't be used on US citizens.
Re: Edward Snowden at IETF 93
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed, did you see https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snow... > If he felt his actions were consistent with civil disobedience, then he should do what those who have taken issue with their own government do: Challenge it, speak out, engage in a constructive act of protest, and -- importantly -- accept the consequences of his actions. He should come home to the United States, and be judged by a j…
Exactly! I did see the response to the petition and thought the exact same thing. The government is pretty much saying, "We know what you did was just. But you broke the law, so come back to suffer in federal prison." "In the land of the free and the home of the brave..." Haha. Ed Snowden is brave and we are freer as Americans knowing what the government is capable of when it comes to electronic surveillance.
I hope in case he were captured and faced a trial, it would give a sentiment of urgency for pro-Snowden people to demomstrate together in a sufficiently massive way. It probably wouldn't lessen the judgement, just show that there's controversy.