Liberal bias? Ridiculous article. Show me the republican version then we can reconcile.
What do you think conservatives would regard as the most harmful careers?
"Community organizer."
What are the 10 most harmful jobs?
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#22Christ. Has it ever occurred to these hipsters that factory farming feeds people? It's simple science that conventional farming is the only way to feed 7+ billion (soon to be 9+ billion) people. And referring to slaughtered chickens as "contributed deaths"... This makes me sad because I once had a little faith in this project.
A vegetarian diet is i) requires less land and energy, ii) as a result is cheaper and iii) per $ is as nutritious as factory farmed meat. People in poverty eat very little meat. In fact, all meat production and consumption, in addition to factory farming, can be objected to on the further ground that it raises food prices for the poor: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/business/worldbusiness/27i... . This is inevitab…
Do plants not die? Saying that people are causing death without clearly qualifying that its farm animals is childish.
The environmental issue is legitimate, but they treated it as an afterthought. It also brings up issues of personal liberty and how much we know about vegetarianism's health effects.
And yes, people in the third world eat very little meat. But, you know what? I bet a lot of them want to eat meat. Remember that that argument can be made about anything even remotely nonessential.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Professors, scientists, and school teachers are regularly demonized by the republican party.
Oh? By whom, exactly?
Rick Santorum has accused universities of "indoctrination" and "killing religion".
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rick-santorum-left-uses-college-...
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201203/...
James Inhofe has written a book about how climate science is supposedly a hoax. http://www.amazon.com/The-Greatest-Hoax-Conspiracy-Threatens...
Chris Christie said that a national teachers union deserves a “punch in the face” http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/chris-christie...
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh? By whom, exactly?
Rick Santorum has accused universities of "indoctrination" and "killing religion". http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rick-santorum-left-uses-college-... https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201203/... James Inhofe has written a book about how climate science is supposedly a hoax. http://www.amazon.com/The-Greatest-Hoax-Conspiracy-Threatens... Chris Christie said that a national teachers union deserves a “pu…
>Rick Santorum has accused universities of "indoctrination" and "killing religion".
The universities are heavily in the business of indoctrination. That's why millennials are so much more pro gay marriage and anti free speech than their elders. The "killing religion" part is overblown.
>James Inhofe has written a book about how climate science is supposedly a hoax.
Much of it is. There is evidence to suggest the earth is warming, but anyone who tells you he can predict the global surface temperature in 20 years is selling you something. I don't know where people got the idea wild statements based entirely on demonstrably wrong models are Teh Science.
>Chris Christie said that a national teachers union deserves a “punch in the face”.
It does. Note there's a huge difference between teachers and the AFT. In most places you don't don't get to decide whether or not part of your paycheck goes to the union, so it's a bit disingenuous to characterize that as an attack on teachers. I don't know how we reached the point where to work as a teacher I would have to pay money to a third party that's going to support political candidates and educational policy I oppose.
I'd also point out regardless of what they say or don't say governors of both parties across the country are looking ofr ways to curtail the power of public employee unions.
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Only factory farming of animals is on there, and given the suffering of the animals involved I think it's a complete no-brainer that it overall does harm.
No it fucking doesn't. It feeds the human race.
In the repeated game of life, you can end up ahead if, by forswearing extreme cruelty toward others even when it's locally "efficient", you significantly reduce the probability of others behaving so cruelly toward you. This is a major reason civilization exists at all.
It is not unreasonable to believe that someone who is used to being exceptionally cruel to animals, when it is not terribly expensive to avoid that cruelty, will on average be more willing than usual to be cruel towards other humans. "Avoid hurting beings that can experience pain" is arguably a more compelling Schelling point to organize 21st century civilization around than "avoid hurting other humans, but do whatever the hell you want to other species". I disagree with Wiblin about this being a "no-brainer", but I mostly agree with his final judgment of the desirability of phasing out this type of factory farming.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
A vegetarian diet is i) requires less land and energy, ii) as a result is cheaper and iii) per $ is as nutritious as factory farmed meat. People in poverty eat very little meat. In fact, all meat production and consumption, in addition to factory farming, can be objected to on the further ground that it raises food prices for the poor: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/business/worldbusiness/27i... . This is inevitab…
Do plants not die? Saying that people are causing death without clearly qualifying that its farm animals is childish. The environmental issue is legitimate, but they treated it as an afterthought. It also brings up issues of personal liberty and how much we know about vegetarianism's health effects. And yes, people in the third world eat very little meat. But, you know what? I bet a lot of them want to eat meat. Reme…
The plants dying point is somewhat irrelevant in this context as 80,000 Hours's philosophy stems from Peter Singer's brand of utilitarian ethics that interpret suffering as it relates to experience, or consciousness.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do plants not die? Saying that people are causing death without clearly qualifying that its farm animals is childish. The environmental issue is legitimate, but they treated it as an afterthought. It also brings up issues of personal liberty and how much we know about vegetarianism's health effects. And yes, people in the third world eat very little meat. But, you know what? I bet a lot of them want to eat meat. Reme…
The plants dying point is somewhat irrelevant in this context as 80,000 Hours's philosophy stems from Peter Singer's brand of utilitarian ethics that interpret suffering as it relates to experience, or consciousness.
What a wonderful sentence. You can keep concocting winding philosophical sentences like that to defend the dignity of chickens, and the rest of us will keep trying feed people.
Re: What are the 10 most harmful jobs?
#28Obviously any such list will be colored by the ethical system of the author.
Many people see zero harm in slaughtering animals for food. A large fraction of those also see a net positive in causing pain to those animals if it reduces costs.
Some libertarians would see little to no harm done by those marketing harmful products, and instead ascribe the moral weight of the harm to the consumers.
I'd be interested in seeing any empirical data on the weapons research angle. My understanding is that wars have been approximately equally deadly to the participants for much of recorded history. With the exception of weapons that are a risk for near-extinction level events, my intuition is that opposing sides in a war kill each other, regardless of how they are armed.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
A vegetarian diet is i) requires less land and energy, ii) as a result is cheaper and iii) per $ is as nutritious as factory farmed meat. People in poverty eat very little meat. In fact, all meat production and consumption, in addition to factory farming, can be objected to on the further ground that it raises food prices for the poor: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/business/worldbusiness/27i... . This is inevitab…
Do plants not die? Saying that people are causing death without clearly qualifying that its farm animals is childish. The environmental issue is legitimate, but they treated it as an afterthought. It also brings up issues of personal liberty and how much we know about vegetarianism's health effects. And yes, people in the third world eat very little meat. But, you know what? I bet a lot of them want to eat meat. Reme…
The relevant difference is that animals feel pain but plants don't, because they don't have nervous systems.
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#30Factory farming considered worse than weapons research? Unless it refers to a specific kind of farming of which I'm not aware, I think the author led their own views cloud their judgement.
The list isn't in order.