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Even when told not to, Windows 10 doesn't stop talking to Microsoft

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Re: Even when told not to, Windows 10 doesn't stop talking to Microsoft

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Post by k3d3 »

kuschku wrote: post #199
k3d3 wrote: post #198

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Works fine for me. Make sure your browser is functioning properly. This website works in every browser I've used, and I've never heard of any problem even remotely close to what you say you're running into.

Browser works fine, it only is an issue with his site. Firefox 40.

Nobody else has been able to reproduce it, and you haven't given enough information on what you're doing or what you've tried. Have you tried different machines? Different browsers? Have you tried pressing the various buttons in the UI? What kind of machine do you have? Do you have a very small amount of RAM? Et cetera.

You might say your browser works fine, but I'd put my money on something there being the issue.

Re: Even when told not to, Windows 10 doesn't stop talking to Microsoft

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Post by k3d3 »

ikeboy wrote: post #159
antsar wrote: post #121

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What's the point of client-side crypto in a browser? Can't you be served backdoored JavaScript that no longer does proper encryption, and you'd be none the wiser?

The service provider isn't able to decode the info because the key is part of the URL that isn't sent to them. This decreases liability (and if nobody visits them, they can't be forced to decrypt it).

Yep, exactly. Also it's nice to have the extra privacy, especially when linking to images privately amongst friends

Re: Even when told not to, Windows 10 doesn't stop talking to Microsoft

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Post by scholia »

Silhouette wrote: post #118
scholia wrote: post #102

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Agreed. Windows 7 is still a current Microsoft product and I don't think Microsoft is expecting the bulk of enterprises to move until 2020, if not later. And since Windows 10 is to a large extent a move into remote PC management, Microsoft obviously wants to manage them with as much info as possible. Telemetry is the quid pro quo for free upgrades for the life of the device. The handful of geeks (somewhat less than a…

Telemetry is the quid pro quo for free upgrades for the life of the device. This is where I start to challenge what Microsoft should (as a matter of law and/or regulation) be allowed to get away with. As I've stated in other posts in this discussion, I think there is a reasonable expectation of support for a significant period for this kind of software product given that the only reason those updates are actually nec…

I don't understand your opening para. Either way, I don't think defective software has anything to do with it. Microsoft keeps writing new versions for all sorts of reasons that have nothing to do with defects. Some are to add useful functionality, or ease of use, or to keep up with a changing world. Some are essentially changes in fashion.

A quick google....

Windows 10 review: Why the new Start menu, Edge browser, new apps and Cortana make Windows 10 the best Windows yet http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/review/operating-systems-software...

Windows 10 review: The OS upgrade we've all been waiting for http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/134797-windows-10-review-t...

Windows 10 review http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/software/operating-s...

Microsoft Windows 10 review 5 stars http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/software/operating-systems/14...

Are you a Windows 8 user? Still using Windows 7? Either way, you'll love Windows 10. http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/22/technology/windows-10-review...

Re: Even when told not to, Windows 10 doesn't stop talking to Microsoft

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Post by kuschku »

k3d3 wrote: post #201
kuschku wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Browser works fine, it only is an issue with his site. Firefox 40.

Nobody else has been able to reproduce it, and you haven't given enough information on what you're doing or what you've tried. Have you tried different machines? Different browsers? Have you tried pressing the various buttons in the UI? What kind of machine do you have? Do you have a very small amount of RAM? Et cetera. You might say your browser works fine, but I'd put my money on something there being the issue.

I tried 2 different machines, running two different versions of linux, tried Firefox, Firefox Aurora and Firefox nightly, all with clean profiles.

Neither "Save as" nor "View in new tab" work.

I said so on the github issue, too

Re: Even when told not to, Windows 10 doesn't stop talking to Microsoft

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Post by jevgeni »

inversionOf wrote: post #78
jevgeni wrote: post #74

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How is Google scanning massively one's emails a requirement for "intelligent systems" and is OK, but Microsoft sending telemetry data is "over the top"?

While I hardly think you're asking with any sincerity, sharing every keystroke, local system search, application activity, wifi passwords, and so on is over the top . Making that the default, instead of a value-add that you pitch, was profoundly poorly considered.

Let's refrain from assuming anything about anyone's sincerity. As far as I can tell, most of the Windows 10 scaremongering on HN is nothing but FUD. The key logger argument is a case in point:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/does-windows-10-really-include-...

Yet, you unquestioningly repeat it.

Local system search while sharing some basic diagnostics data with Microsoft does not share the search queries.

WiFi passwords could be shared with your Windows 10 using Facebook friends, if you allow it. If you care about privacy that much, don't allow it, or better yet, don't use Facebook.

I couldn't find any evidence that Windows 10 shares any worthwhile application activity data.

Yet, it is somehow perceived as a Watergate-level of betrayal, but at the same time it is ok to praise Google for scanning your entire mailbox.

To me this just looks like a bunch of 90s kids struggling to shake off the "Evil Micro$oft" groupthink.

Re: Even when told not to, Windows 10 doesn't stop talking to Microsoft

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Post by jevgeni »

otis_inf wrote: post #126
jevgeni wrote: post #75

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How can you trust any cloud service then?

You shouldn't. The cloud is just someone else's computer. You can mitigate things by encrypting a lot but there's no way you can't know they don't peek at your data. So if you can't trust the company offering the service, you shouldn't do business with them. It's the same with food and food supplies: if they can't be trusted to serve/sell you stuff that doesn't make you ill, don't do business with them. Very simple.

Of course, I completely agree. But it is like you say, you either trust the provider or you don't (ceteris paribus encryption issues).

Re: Even when told not to, Windows 10 doesn't stop talking to Microsoft

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Post by jevgeni »

nitrogen wrote: post #113
edgyswingset wrote: post #84

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> profoundly poorly considered For the handful of people who care deeply about data collection, yeah. For the rest of the 900+ million, it's really not a concern. Edit: I know it sucks to hear, but your concerns about privacy are hardly shared among the general populous.

The concerns of the general populace bear only superficial correlation with what actually matters for the thriving of an enlightened society.

https://www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart/

Re: Even when told not to, Windows 10 doesn't stop talking to Microsoft

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Post by kuschku »

k3d3 wrote: post #200
kuschku wrote: post #166

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His link requires javascript and decrypts on device. Additionally, it overrides the browsers zoom behaviour and makes it impossible to view the image in a new tab seperately. The link of the comment I replied to was just as bad as the sites that block right-clicking.

> impossible to view the image in a new tab seperately But it's entirely possible, and there's even a dedicated button to view just the image. ("View in Browser"). Make sure your browser is functioning properly - this isn't an issue with the website.

Still, the result might now work in /some/ browsers, but it won’t magically make it work on most people’s phones.

Hacker News is a site I browse on my phone because it works without eating up RAM or anything.

Re: Even when told not to, Windows 10 doesn't stop talking to Microsoft

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Post by kuschku »

ultramancool wrote: post #188
kuschku wrote: post #167

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Which is all nice, but doesn’t make it better that the site is almost unusable. A better solution would be decrypting the image and then loading the image into an image tag with a data: uri in base64 encoding. I could zoom normally with the browsers own zoom tools, I could right-click save normally, etc.

Which browser are you using that you can't use right click-> save on a blob URL'd image? It's using the standard HTML image and appears to be working in Chrome, Firefox and Edge.

Doesn’t work in Firefox 40 on Linux. Tried Firefox, Dev channel and Nightly channel on 2 systems with clean profile. Just does not work.

Re: Even when told not to, Windows 10 doesn't stop talking to Microsoft

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Post by jevgeni »

clessg wrote: post #141
edgyswingset wrote: post #84

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> profoundly poorly considered For the handful of people who care deeply about data collection, yeah. For the rest of the 900+ million, it's really not a concern. Edit: I know it sucks to hear, but your concerns about privacy are hardly shared among the general populous.

Every nontechnical person I told about this seemed quite shocked to learn about it and wanted to know how to avoid having their privacy invaded. I really don't think most people expect their operating system to be spying on them. It's one thing if you're on gmail.com or facebook.com and those sites collect info about you. People expect that. Most people probably don't expect Microsoft to install a keylogger on their…

Because you told them nonsense.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/does-windows-10-really-include-...

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