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Even when told not to, Windows 10 doesn't stop talking to Microsoft

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Re: Even when told not to, Windows 10 doesn't stop talking to Microsoft

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In all these discussions about Windows 10 phoning home, there are a couple of things that I haven't yet seen properly discussed. 1. Do the different versions of Windows (Home/Pro/Enterprise/Education) behave differently? If so, how? 2. Do the pro/enterprise versions behave differently when they're connected to a domain? I'd imagine that the answer to at least one of these questions would be "yes." This kind of behavi…

Discussions about differences in behavior among versions of Windows would not be as informative as a discussion of Windows in comparison to other OS's. Ubuntu bounces stuff off Canonical servers, iOS off Apple's iTunes and in-the-wild Android...well where to begin?

Facilitating high connectivity is what modern mass market operating systems do and Microsoft is playing catchup not leading a charge against anonymity. They couldn't if they wanted to. The commercial internet is built on tracking individuals and their behavior. I guess everyone would feel better if the Windows splash screen said "This OS Uses Cookies, by Continuing You Agree to Our TOS."

Re: Even when told not to, Windows 10 doesn't stop talking to Microsoft

#14
You agreed to the privacy terms, so you are at the mercy of whatsoever Microsoft implemented. Windows 10 even could totally ignore your settings.

I say this, not because I think that this is OK, but to reflect, that even the change of the settings do not save you from the harm, that was done from the privacy terms!

Why downvoted? When you disagree, than give arguments, not gutless clicks!

Re: Even when told not to, Windows 10 doesn't stop talking to Microsoft

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In all these discussions about Windows 10 phoning home, there are a couple of things that I haven't yet seen properly discussed. 1. Do the different versions of Windows (Home/Pro/Enterprise/Education) behave differently? If so, how? 2. Do the pro/enterprise versions behave differently when they're connected to a domain? I'd imagine that the answer to at least one of these questions would be "yes." This kind of behavi…

Discussions about differences in behavior among versions of Windows would not be as informative as a discussion of Windows in comparison to other OS's. Ubuntu bounces stuff off Canonical servers, iOS off Apple's iTunes and in-the-wild Android...well where to begin? Facilitating high connectivity is what modern mass market operating systems do and Microsoft is playing catchup not leading a charge against anonymity. Th…

Facilitating high connectivity is what modern mass market operating systems do

That's a bold claim, considering that until recently Windows was exactly what you used if you didn't want that kind of always-online emphasis and instead wanted to retain a degree of control and running your software locally.

Like many of the software companies moving in user-hostile directions, Microsoft's biggest competition is still themselves from a few years ago. And we know from both Vista and 8 that even Microsoft do not automatically have sufficient influence to get people to upgrade to a system that is perceived as being worse than what everyone already had.

[Edit: Perhaps instead of numerous people downvoting, someone could actually reply and say what they object to about this post? I don't think either my characterisation of Windows or my characterisation of Microsoft's competitive situation is unreasonable.]

Re: Even when told not to, Windows 10 doesn't stop talking to Microsoft

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Maybe I'm just jaded, but does that really surprise anyone? Most “developments” at MS have been nothing but successive layers of lipstick-on-a-pig. No amount of lipstick can make the pig underneath go away.

It doesn't surprise me. Moves in this direction were likely as soon as Nadella was chosen to be the new CEO and all but certain as soon as they announced the free upgrade push for Windows 10.

It does disappoint me, though. Microsoft was one of the few major players in IT that could realistically have offered an antidote to the always-online, spy-on-everything, everything-is-a-service, subscribe-not-buy, force-updates-you-don't-want madness of recent years. Instead, they seem to be throwing good money after bad in what I'm already expecting to be a repeat of Vista/8 level failure. They have about as much chance of actually out-Googling Google as Mozilla do with Firefox, yet like Mozilla they persist in trying and in doing so alienating the substantial user base who valued their products precisely because they weren't like that.

Re: Even when told not to, Windows 10 doesn't stop talking to Microsoft

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In all these discussions about Windows 10 phoning home, there are a couple of things that I haven't yet seen properly discussed. 1. Do the different versions of Windows (Home/Pro/Enterprise/Education) behave differently? If so, how? 2. Do the pro/enterprise versions behave differently when they're connected to a domain? I'd imagine that the answer to at least one of these questions would be "yes." This kind of behavi…

We have an enterprise edition VM in test and it appears to react the same as Pro at least. Haven't tried home.

What is scary is the lack of GPOs to turn this stuff off which you'd expect in an enterprise product. Technically we can't apply policy to make this compliant with our data protection requirements.

Their funeral to be honest.

Re: Even when told not to, Windows 10 doesn't stop talking to Microsoft

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I am sticking with Windows 7 until I get out of college and after that I am ditching Windows forever.

God forbid Microsoft give 7 the boot for support like they did XP. Windows 7 is standard for workstations at the college administration where I work, and suggestions to switch to 8 are met with laughter across the board. We have trouble enough with China trying to hack us literally thousands of times per day, and there is no reason to trust Windows 10 to be any more secure.
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