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Re: For DNSSEC

#71
post #36

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Are you talking about zone enumeration? That's covered in the article.

Can you provide an NSEC white-lie response to an arbitrary query without an online key? (I'm not sure if this is what was being asked, but I'm curious about the answer to that, either way.)

No, not in the narrowest way. You can go 'somewhere in between' at the cost of blowing up your zone size tremendously, but it's not worth it.

Re: For DNSSEC

#72
post #57

The authors of this post missed the fact that there's an FAQ linked to the top of the post, where I rebutted all of these objections (and many better ones) 8 months ago. Rather than tediously recapping the same points again, I'll just direct their attention to the link: http://sockpuppet.org/stuff/dnssec-qa.html Dan Kaminsky, speaking at the Black Hat CSO Summit this Tuesday, attempted to advocate DNSSEC to the room.…

I tried to address all the major points in your FAQ and Adam Langley's follow-on blogpost as well, but I will take another crack at it.

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Re: For DNSSEC

#73
post #57

The authors of this post missed the fact that there's an FAQ linked to the top of the post, where I rebutted all of these objections (and many better ones) 8 months ago. Rather than tediously recapping the same points again, I'll just direct their attention to the link: http://sockpuppet.org/stuff/dnssec-qa.html Dan Kaminsky, speaking at the Black Hat CSO Summit this Tuesday, attempted to advocate DNSSEC to the room.…

I tried to address all the major points in your FAQ and Adam Langley's follow-on blogpost as well, but I will take another crack at it.

Hey, I mistook the QA for your FAQ post, my overall thesis hasn't changed but I will follow up on the new info in your QA post : )

Re: For DNSSEC

#74
post #60

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> Until then, stamps [REJECTED] on the DNSSEC folder death to 90's crypto If you read TFA you would see that we are transitioning to P-256. FWIW, ECC crypto is really slow and we will need to transition to post-quantum crypto in another 10 or 15 years.

"ECC crypto is really slow"? Please explain what you mean by that.

ECC signature verification is slower and big resolvers are complaining about it. Ed25519 is faster than the equivalent P curve but it's still slower than log-based crypto.

Re: For DNSSEC

#75
post #63

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As covered in TFA, DNSCurve provides encryption between a DNS resolver and the client. It doesn't allow domain owners to sign their records. Dan Kaminsky did a good job taking DNSCurve apart back in 2011: http://dankaminsky.com/2011/01/05/djb-ccc/ "I observe this is essentially a walk of Zooko’s Triangle, and does not represent an effective or credible solution to what we’ve learned is the hardest problem at the inte…

"If you are willing to embrace the pitfalls and advantages of such an approach, you don't need DNSSEC." That was in reference to Zooko's Triangle. You have to choose one of the other two if you are doing decentralized. The obvious choice being that you can't trust the human readable host names.

cbsmith: I'm not sure what you mean ... using a traditional TLD means that you made the choice to add third party trust to your system. Adding the CA system just adds additional third parties that you have to trust.

Re: For DNSSEC

#76
post #67
post #65

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He moved from Convergence to TACK, which is on hold during the rollout of HPKP, which is like 80% of the value proposition of TACK.

What’s in the missing 20%?

It's still vulnerable to MITM attacks on the first connection.

Re: For DNSSEC

#77
post #66

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That would force companies to either own all of the front-end server farms or store their keys on machines in untrustworthy environments.

Yes: a choice between two very unattractive options. Isn't DNSSEC great?

Uh? You can run everything in offline mode, unless you really care about trivial zone enumeration.

Re: For DNSSEC

#79
post #66

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Yes: a choice between two very unattractive options. Isn't DNSSEC great?

Uh? You can run everything in offline mode, unless you really care about trivial zone enumeration.

I am not talking about the current DNSSEC, of course.

Re: For DNSSEC

#80
post #70

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We're currently working on providing DNSSEC for our customers. The problem with only signing is that we really don't want all the keys to be physically present on our DNS servers, as many of them are hosted in other companies data centres. Having a central online signing server is bad for availability, as DNS down time is really not acceptable. That basically only leaves offline signing.

So have three online signers.

Yea, HSMs are not that expensive I think.
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