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They are 'effectively' banned in Europe though. As you can see from this infographic[1] approval of a GMO requires a political vote in the European Commission. This takes place after a very expensive risk assessment, and you can't get that money back. It's a tough business case to spend a ton of money on the risk assessment and then be at the whim of politicians who are publicly against the technology and know they w…
> They are 'effectively' banned in Europe though. There quite a number specifically approved, which is inconsistent with an "effective" ban. > My company makes GMO plants and until the situation changes there's no way we'd considered trying to get approval. Demonstrably -- that is, from the list of products that are approved -- that's not true of the major players in the industry (e.g., Monsanto, Bayer, Dow, Syngenta…
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
One of the problems is this idea that opposition to GMOs and growth in demand for organic food is fueled by scientific illiteracy. There an oft-repeated lament of "I can't believe people think GMOs are unsafe!", but why not instead start by asking why purchases of organic food increase alongside increased education level?
Having gone to college is not evidence that your opinion is any more important than anyone else's. What matters is: what does the data say about GMO safety? Are your views informed by the consensus of scientific studies? If not, then the position is still scientifically illiterate, even if the individual has a Masters degree. Resisting vaccinations is also quite common among educated, affluent people. http://www.chic…
Very interesting point about vaccinations.
I went looking for more numbers and found this: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/02/02/young-adults...
It's quite counterintuitive to me that, according to these numbers, education level doesn't seem to affect views om vaccination at all.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They are 'effectively' banned in Europe though. There quite a number specifically approved, which is inconsistent with an "effective" ban. > My company makes GMO plants and until the situation changes there's no way we'd considered trying to get approval. Demonstrably -- that is, from the list of products that are approved -- that's not true of the major players in the industry (e.g., Monsanto, Bayer, Dow, Syngenta…
Even Monsanto is giving up: http://www.euronews.com/2013/07/18/monsanto-re-thinks-its-gm... http://www.gmeducation.org/government-and-corporations/p2134...
Those 2013 articles are outdated, Monsanto had a number of permitted approved this year. They either never withdrew their pending applications as those articles stated they intended to, or they got new applications approved in less than two years start to finish.
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Even Monsanto is giving up: http://www.euronews.com/2013/07/18/monsanto-re-thinks-its-gm... http://www.gmeducation.org/government-and-corporations/p2134...
Those 2013 articles are outdated, Monsanto had a number of permitted approved this year. They either never withdrew their pending applications as those articles stated they intended to, or they got new applications approved in less than two years start to finish. http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-4843_en.htm
These aren't approvals to grow the crops in the EU, which is the core issue, they are approvals to import products grown elsewhere.
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#65Facepalms all around. Supply chains are hard, and the idea that you can just write software to "solve" them is a level of hubris that defies description. Supply chains aren't a problem you can solve with big data. They aren't a problem that be solved with machine learning. In fact, you could combine the worlds top researchers in Computer Science, Economics, Operations Research, Mathematics, and Statistics, put them i…
> The presumption of stupidity[2] That's an interesting post. I notice the presumption of stupidity on Hacker News is very strong in the fields of auto manufacturing and banking.
Also see Chesterton's Fence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Chesterton%27s_fence
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry for making such a "boring" point that was apparently also worth committing several paragraphs to debunking.
Of course it was worth it. You're worth it. <3
Now that this is off the front page...
You seem to be incredibly smart and well educated and would do the world a great service if you worked to shift your energy towards compassionately sharing in knowledge exchange rather than venting anger at why others don't have the same knowledge you do.
I want to open this up again and give you free reign here to explain to me why my thoughts are incorrect, but with the condition that it's done without attacking the structure of my words or me personally.
I have two theories about neuroscience, but I have no formal education in science and my knowledge comes from the university of HN, wikipedia and google. I want to know why I'm wrong about these theories and become educated on the reasons why they are wrong. If you can help me, I would be very thankful.
The first theory is that grocery stores and home cooking are our last proxy for primitive food scavenging behavior (I believe this is called dopamine reward seeking). This is why Soylent will never be successful and why online food shopping will always be a niche business.
Second - I've never been sold on the idea that our brain ships without any software preinstalled. It's hard to debate in favor of this since the science is murky and, of course, I'm no scientist. The only thing I can point to is this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/1048647...
If you can help explain to me why I'm mistaken with these thoughts, you'd make a positive impact on my life and hopefully improve your own outlook as well.
Or you can tell me to fuck off. But know that I did give a shit about what you had to say and it's stuck with me for almost 24hrs now.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course it was worth it. You're worth it. <3
Now that this is off the front page... You seem to be incredibly smart and well educated and would do the world a great service if you worked to shift your energy towards compassionately sharing in knowledge exchange rather than venting anger at why others don't have the same knowledge you do. I want to open this up again and give you free reign here to explain to me why my thoughts are incorrect, but with the condit…
I will reply comprehensively when I can. I apologize for being so extremely confrontational.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Now that this is off the front page... You seem to be incredibly smart and well educated and would do the world a great service if you worked to shift your energy towards compassionately sharing in knowledge exchange rather than venting anger at why others don't have the same knowledge you do. I want to open this up again and give you free reign here to explain to me why my thoughts are incorrect, but with the condit…
I will reply comprehensively when I can. I apologize for being so extremely confrontational.
No worries. Honestly don't sweat responding to my comment, there are some very silly reasons why I'm interested in the topic in the first place.
I wish there was a better medium to read your work than HN comment history. If you don't already write professionally I hope you are pursuing it. You're very talented and thorough. I want to read more of what you have to say.
But a parting word of advice - that writing talent of yours makes your criticism feel like the intellectual equivalent of being punched by the incredible hulk. If you're pursuing ambitions in technology, anyone on HN could either be a valuable asset or a particularly shitty enemy. Best not to risk crushing the wrong person
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#69Bummer - I was rooting for Good Eggs!
re: software and food. The truth is nuanced:
- obviously, code won't overcome the challenges of immature, lower-scale logistics and business operations. Roll up your sleeves like everyone else!
- no, it's not about "big data" as much as business process software.
- but yes, code can help in some ways: - analytics/BI/decision-support: smarter decisions, fewer meetings. - running ops: fewer managers, automated monitoring and project followup. - use code to help manage your supply chain.
- but yes, "tech thinking" does help: - faster, safer process change - remote monitoring - application of classic compsci algorithms vs reinventing wheels.
cheers! adam
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Re: Why $53M Wasn't Enough to Scale Good Eggs
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
I will reply comprehensively when I can. I apologize for being so extremely confrontational.
No worries. Honestly don't sweat responding to my comment, there are some very silly reasons why I'm interested in the topic in the first place. I wish there was a better medium to read your work than HN comment history. If you don't already write professionally I hope you are pursuing it. You're very talented and thorough. I want to read more of what you have to say. But a parting word of advice - that writing talen…
It might be a while, I got even more busy with life than when I initially commented to you. Do you have an account at a place with direct messaging? I can send you my thoughts there.
The truth is, it's very easy to talk the way I did, and very hard to talk in a constructive way.