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Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by socceroos »

Nexxxeh wrote: post #117
teekert wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very funny considering the uneasiness people have towards "putting Linux on a computer". For the Raspberry Pi, the reality is completely reversed as NOOBS is the absolute easiest, most convenient way to put any OS on any computer ever. I really don't understand people who want this, with closed source software the learning stops at some point, you can't learn everything about your Windows-Pi even though it was create…

>Why would you want this? Can there really be people that are willing and able to build their own IOT but do not want to learn about Linux? Knowing about Linux doesn't mean assuming it's the best tool for the job at hand. I've used Linux, I've installed Linux, I've fixed a couple of broken Linux installs etc. I've compiled software on Linux. I've imaged an SD card for a Pi from Windows pre-Noobs. I've installed Rasbi…

Or, you know, compile to mono and thus keep 100% control over your lower stack.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by tracker1 »

Nexxxeh wrote: post #117
teekert wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very funny considering the uneasiness people have towards "putting Linux on a computer". For the Raspberry Pi, the reality is completely reversed as NOOBS is the absolute easiest, most convenient way to put any OS on any computer ever. I really don't understand people who want this, with closed source software the learning stops at some point, you can't learn everything about your Windows-Pi even though it was create…

>Why would you want this? Can there really be people that are willing and able to build their own IOT but do not want to learn about Linux? Knowing about Linux doesn't mean assuming it's the best tool for the job at hand. I've used Linux, I've installed Linux, I've fixed a couple of broken Linux installs etc. I've compiled software on Linux. I've imaged an SD card for a Pi from Windows pre-Noobs. I've installed Rasbi…

However, with the example... you can just use node under linux on the rPI, and get a decent experience. I have no idea what binary module support for node (bignum, sqlite, and others come to mind) under Win10Core that might be common for something like this are... In general if you don't have build environment support for node, there is always an edge/corner case binary module you need. It's better in windows, but I'm not sure if Win10Core has a compiler on the device target. (And Python 2.7 for that matter)

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by lawl »

ghurlman wrote: post #11
tigeba wrote: post #3

When they released this a couple of months ago I was pretty excited to try it out. I think the barrier to installation is a bit high. First install Windows 10, then custom install of VS, install IoT Templates, then about 30 more steps before you get the image to flash on your SD. How about a link to the image I can blast on the SD and kick the tires without a couple hours of downloading and installing prerequisites?

While the tool to flash the SD that Microsoft built requires Windows 10, it doesn't require anything else besides a Pi: http://ms-iot.github.io/content/en-US/win10/SetupRPI.htm Granted, if you go through the developer site, it points you towards installing what you need to develop software for it. shrug

Quickly made an unpacker script in bash, couldn't test it yet, but it looks like it works. You'll need 7zip and a working installation of python,

https://github.com/lawl/Win10IOTRaspberryUnpacker

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by lawl »

jsingleton wrote: post #101
ghurlman wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the tool to flash the SD that Microsoft built requires Windows 10, it doesn't require anything else besides a Pi: http://ms-iot.github.io/content/en-US/win10/SetupRPI.htm Granted, if you go through the developer site, it points you towards installing what you need to develop software for it. shrug

You can use this python script to convert the image to standard raw format: https://github.com/t0x0/random Then flash it with your normal tool such as dd or Win32DiskImager.

Thanks! Made a quick script with this to unpack the other stuff (I couldn't mount the ISO for some reason) however 7z seems to handle the ISO and the MSI file both just fine.

In case you're interested: https://github.com/lawl/Win10IOTRaspberryUnpacker

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by tracker1 »

nbadg wrote: post #107
teekert wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very funny considering the uneasiness people have towards "putting Linux on a computer". For the Raspberry Pi, the reality is completely reversed as NOOBS is the absolute easiest, most convenient way to put any OS on any computer ever. I really don't understand people who want this, with closed source software the learning stops at some point, you can't learn everything about your Windows-Pi even though it was create…

> Can there really be people that are willing and able to build their own IOT but do not want to learn about Linux? Absolutely, and especially in corporate environments. I'm not saying Windows 10 IoT is any better (I think it's very unlikely to be, but I also haven't evaluated it), but I can say for certain that I wish I had a single, identical python library for any IoT platform that handled interfaces as simply as:…

If you use BabelJS (ES6) you can write async methods that are very close to that with Node + johnny-five.

https://github.com/rwaldron/johnny-five

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by socceroos »

cobalt wrote: post #105
tpio wrote: post #99

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On a really, really shitty platform without a package manager and a decent CLI.

um, really shitty platform i nwhat regard? Also, VS has had a package manager for a while and Powershell is more than capable

I don't understand the people who compare PowerShell to a CLI on Unix/Linux. They're worlds apart and not even comparable. PowerShell is like a little set of APIs you can use to get at data - nothing outside of that, play within the rules - but those APIs are pretty good when they do exist.

Unix/Linux CLI is a core set of tools that get you at literally everything you could want and give you unbounded power and flexibility.

Worlds apart.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

ultramancool wrote: post #70
HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #66

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* this is far from something that should prevent a platform swap* When I started Android development, the quality of documentation was so far below what I was used to from Microsoft that it hurt. If not for StackOverflow I would probably have given up and switched to Microsoft's mobile platform. Besides that, I'm not impressed by IntelliJ. Not even a little bit. I am however, vastly impressed by Visual Studio and all…

The Android docs and Java docs are actually quite good though IMO. Is there somewhere in particular you felt they were lacking? You want to see some poorly documented stuff, check out BouncyCastle's "lightweight API" or OpenSceneGraph. Great libraries, but figuring them out is a serious investment.

Honestly I don't remember anymore because if I search for help on anything, I now actively avoid the android site and just take the StackOverflow links instead.

Maybe Android docs aren't so bad in comparison to most documentation. However, in comparison to Microsoft's they are severely lacking. And this is coming from someone who used to bitch at all the errors he found in the Microsoft docs!

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by voltagex_ »

tigeba wrote: post #3

When they released this a couple of months ago I was pretty excited to try it out. I think the barrier to installation is a bit high. First install Windows 10, then custom install of VS, install IoT Templates, then about 30 more steps before you get the image to flash on your SD. How about a link to the image I can blast on the SD and kick the tires without a couple hours of downloading and installing prerequisites?

https://github.com/t0x0/random/wiki/ffu2img

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by tigeba »

voltagex_ wrote: post #128
tigeba wrote: post #3

When they released this a couple of months ago I was pretty excited to try it out. I think the barrier to installation is a bit high. First install Windows 10, then custom install of VS, install IoT Templates, then about 30 more steps before you get the image to flash on your SD. How about a link to the image I can blast on the SD and kick the tires without a couple hours of downloading and installing prerequisites?

https://github.com/t0x0/random/wiki/ffu2img

Most excellent.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by voltagex_ »

lawl wrote: post #123
ghurlman wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the tool to flash the SD that Microsoft built requires Windows 10, it doesn't require anything else besides a Pi: http://ms-iot.github.io/content/en-US/win10/SetupRPI.htm Granted, if you go through the developer site, it points you towards installing what you need to develop software for it. shrug

Quickly made an unpacker script in bash, couldn't test it yet, but it looks like it works. You'll need 7zip and a working installation of python, https://github.com/lawl/Win10IOTRaspberryUnpacker

https://github.com/lawl/Win10IOTRaspberryUnpacker/blob/maste...?
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