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Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by hamburglar »

free652 wrote: post #58
ghurlman wrote: post #11

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While the tool to flash the SD that Microsoft built requires Windows 10, it doesn't require anything else besides a Pi: http://ms-iot.github.io/content/en-US/win10/SetupRPI.htm Granted, if you go through the developer site, it points you towards installing what you need to develop software for it. shrug

>A PC running Windows 10 (Prepared in the previous step) That requirement itself is a big step: http://ms-iot.github.io/content/en-US/win10/SetupPCRPI.htm

Especially considering my 8.1 -> 10 upgrade has failed spectacularly several times. I'm not going and buying 10 at retail to try this shit out.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by andycross »

preya2k wrote: post #47
pen2l wrote: post #37

Sorry, silly question: can one use this Win10 R-pi as a "real computer"? (more to the point: I want to run labview programs on this r-pi, because of its small size/cost -- give/receive triggers various home automation equipment etc., I'm wondering if that'll be possible with this)

Probably not since there is no GUI and regular Windows command line tools won't run out of the box.

It has a gui. It supports headed and headless modes.

you're right tho, most tools from win32 won't work.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by [deleted] »

dougmany wrote: post #68
tacos wrote: post #22

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I really wish I could show about 70% of the Windows knuckleheads a few Linux tools. And I really wish about half of Hacker News would spend twenty minutes with Visual Studio and Azure. Both sides have no idea what is possible. And, no. No joke.

I use Visual studio to write c# apps for my day job(love it). My Linux development had been polar opposites of spending days getting a embedded arm toolchain to compile and using vim to make a .c file an typing gcc main.c -o HelloWorld . There is also the whole make file strangeness. Where would you point me to make me like linux development more?

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Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by blackbeard »

dougmany wrote: post #68
tacos wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish I could show about 70% of the Windows knuckleheads a few Linux tools. And I really wish about half of Hacker News would spend twenty minutes with Visual Studio and Azure. Both sides have no idea what is possible. And, no. No joke.

I use Visual studio to write c# apps for my day job(love it). My Linux development had been polar opposites of spending days getting a embedded arm toolchain to compile and using vim to make a .c file an typing gcc main.c -o HelloWorld . There is also the whole make file strangeness. Where would you point me to make me like linux development more?

Use python or go instead.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by joezydeco »

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #15
joezydeco wrote: post #7

A robotic hockey table doesn't seem very IoT to me. I'm a little confused as to what Windows brings to the table for embedded devices at this point, especially screenless ones.

Microsoft just came out with an Android Emulator this year too. It's faster than any other emulator that I've seen and it's really well integrated with Visual Studio. If you've never really used Microsofts tools before and all that you've heard about Microsoft has originated from the crowd that hangs out at HN, you can be forgiven for not knowing that they make very fine quality tools.

I've managed a 25-year career out of staying away from anything Microsoft in the embedded arena. WinCE, WinCE Auto, Windows Embedded, Windows XP Embedded, Windows XP Embedded Cool Ranch Flavor, Windows Mobile, Windows Phone, Windows Phone 8, Windows whatever-the-hell-it-is-today. And that philosophy has saved me a lot of pain over the years.

The tools might be great, but I don't ship tools. I ship applications that need good solid runtime libraries.

Win10 might be a fresh start and that's all well-and-good. But I'll believe it when I see it. Slapping on a buzzword like "IoT" won't change things. I develop lots of IoT stuff and I see no reason to go near Win10.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by skrebbel »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #66
ultramancool wrote: post #45

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I do too, but I also use Qt Creator and Eclipse for writing C++ on RTOSes and I really don't think VS is anything special. I will agree with you about the documentation, with few exceptions MS documentation is some of the best written. But this is far from something that should prevent a platform swap. The piss poor code editing tools in VC++ irk me more than anything, I have to say that I feel like it's the worst of…

* this is far from something that should prevent a platform swap* When I started Android development, the quality of documentation was so far below what I was used to from Microsoft that it hurt. If not for StackOverflow I would probably have given up and switched to Microsoft's mobile platform. Besides that, I'm not impressed by IntelliJ. Not even a little bit. I am however, vastly impressed by Visual Studio and all…

I like both IntelliJ and Visual Studio. Why do you like the latter better?

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by ultramancool »

pjmlp wrote: post #59
ultramancool wrote: post #42

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I have quite regularly, but I'm just as comfortable in that of Eclipse, Qt Creator, gdb, or even binary debuggers like IDA's or OllyDbg for reverse engineering. I don't see it as a major advantage over any other platform. It's a simple GUI debugger, nothing fancy. Am I missing something?

- Parallel watches of multiple threads variables - Visualization of threads and their stacks contents - Customizable breakpoints in many different ways (conditions, hit count, only on special thread) - Visualization of tasks (PPL) - Its STL visualizers are much nicer to use and customize than any of the alternatives - Selective control of threads execution behavior - Re-execution of code blocks - Ability to perform c…

I suppose it depends on what you're used to and what features you actually need.

When debugging I'm most often able to solve things with a few breakpoints, a stack dump and little else. The situations where that's insufficient for me are few and far between. When I'm debugging some code using old threading paradigms I more often than not just break out helgrind on it, which often reveals threading problems instantly. It's unavailable on Windows though.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by morganvachon »

hamburglar wrote: post #71
free652 wrote: post #58

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>A PC running Windows 10 (Prepared in the previous step) That requirement itself is a big step: http://ms-iot.github.io/content/en-US/win10/SetupPCRPI.htm

Especially considering my 8.1 -> 10 upgrade has failed spectacularly several times. I'm not going and buying 10 at retail to try this shit out.

For what it's worth, I found on two of my systems that had issues with the upgrade, if I followed the upgrade/activation with a clean install of Windows 10 (giving up the option to return to the previous version of Windows) the installation worked great. I had different but equally show-stopping bugs on my Windows 7 workstation and my wife's Windows 7 laptop until I did that.

On my wife's laptop I had even tried a fresh install of Windows 7 followed immediately by the upgrade and hit the same bugs as before (no "Modern" apps would load including Settings, and Explorer.exe was constantly crashing). A clean install of 10 fixed those issues and now it runs great.

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