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Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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I thoroughly doubt that Apple's endgame here is to make their users the product – given that the operating system is only available to people who have paid them money in the first place. A much more pragmatic conclusion is that they think this feature is something that users want. And in Apple's case, as well as others, it probably is.

You paid for the hardware and the OS that shipped with it. Developing a new OS version costs Apple non trivial amounts of money - development, deployment, testing, bandwidth, support etc. and they used to charge for them up until just a few years ago. Something's got to fund it - things like pushing more of Apple's online services, gathering user data etc provide some ROI to Apple.

They have to improve their products continuously to be competitive in the marketplace. Apple's competitive advantage is fundamentally in their software, not their hardware.

They innovate in the hardware space and physical design space, but all of their competitors will make copies of their hardware advantages after a few years. To keep on being competitive, their entire experience has to be superior. And what is harder to copy properly is the software experience.

Engineering cost wise, it's cheaper to just keep the software train rolling than to have older versions persisting that you have to continuously support. That is why they don't charge for it, because it's cheaper for them if you upgrade sooner and become part of the marginal few they can ignore if your a straggler. And 'free' has far higher adoption rates than even $1.00.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

#112
Foreshadowing? From April 2014: "To be able to truly benefit from this platform you need to have a data culture inside of your organization. For me, this perhaps is the most paramount thing inside of Microsoft," said Nadella.

"It's not going to happen without having that data culture where every engineer, every day, is looking at the usage data, learning from that usage data, questioning what new things to test out with our products and being on that improvement cycle which is the lifeblood of Microsoft." http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/15/us-microsoft-ceo-d...

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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And yet, you posed this on the internet, sharing your IP & MAC addresses with several companies.

And? He could be running Tails with a spoofed MAC and bouncing through TOR while sitting in a coffee shop 100 miles from home.

There's privacy-conscious, and then there's paranoid.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Is it really necessary to use a host that requires JavaScript to display an image? Anyway, I've confirmed this. I've disabled web search and all of the other privacy options I've seen with Windows 10 during and after install. As soon as the first character is typed into the Windows 10 search box, the request goes out to www.bing.com. It doesn't say what you searched for (as the request happens before you complete the…

Yea i don't like this image hosting service either. I'm on some bad wifi atm and it actually froze my UI for a minute.

I don't know what client you're using, but the UI freeze might have been because of the client-side decryption of the image data.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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I wish this was happening on my machine so I could investigate, but it's not. Searches in Start ask if I want to search the web then open a browser. I have the default search settings.

Did you install the CA certificate from whatever software you're using to MITM your machine?

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Just changed two rules in Windows Firewall to blocked and it appears to no longer send anything. https://i.imgur.com/a5yu5vb.png Wondering if I should go through all the Windows stuff there and turn them off. Edit: just did (except for Edge and obvious internet related stuff). Is there a way to change Firewall rules with a registry tweak? That would be the ideal way to distribute this.

FYI jug5: it looks like you've been shadow banned for some time now.

Sorry for the useless comment that he may not see. I just hate seeing this.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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As time goes by, computer software begins to feel more and more hostile to the user. When I installed Windows 10, all the privacy settings made me feel like I was wrangling a beast rather than setting up something that would help me. I don't know if there's any solution or if privacy is just a remnant of the past. Is Linux any better? And is there any way to own a smartphone which is built not to leak my information,…

I think control of data is the addiction feeding this trend. Perhaps the belief that those who control the data, can predict and control the future?

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Here's a list of servers Windows 10 contacts on startup. There are probably more, but these are the ones that showed up. BN1WNS2011508.wns.windows.com OneSettings-bn2.metron.live.com.nsatc.net a978.i6g1.akamai.net americas2.notify.windows.com.akadns.net any.edge.bing.com bingads.microsoft.com bl3302.storage.live.com bl3302geo.storage.dkyprod.akadns.net client.wns.windows.com corp.sts.microsoft.com diagnostics.support…

It's really disturbing how many would be indistinguishable (to almost everyone) from malware servers. Lots of .net domains and entities I've never heard of.

It's pretty common practice for a .com to run its backend stuff on the .net version of their .com domain.

Also, if you know how CDNs tend to structure their DNS entries for their clients, you can remove all but seven of those entries from the list.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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post #92

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Not really, heck, on Android and iOS around 40% of banking apps don't even check the certificate at all. Most people, even most developers seem to be pretty clueless with this stuff.

> on Android and iOS around 40% of banking apps don't even check the certificate at all. Please name and shame, this sounds pretty surprising!

List of Android SSL MITM vulnerable apps: https://samsclass.info/128/proj/popular-ssl.htm

Highly recommend any material on the main site as well. One of the few legit infosec professors I have ever interacted with.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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I installed Windows 10 yesterday and used it for a couple of hours before coming to the conclusion that I made an error in downgrading from Windows 7. Windows 10 feels more like their phone OS disguised as a desktop OS. Perhaps the most jarring part was how ugly legacy (Windows 7) apps looked in Windows 10. They didn't even bother trying to make these apps look nice. Also, their services are plastered all over the pl…

I wonder - does that get you in the door to do the free upgrade more than a year from now? I wouldn't mind upgrading once 10 has had a little time to age properly.

They already have a large update coming in the Fall and one next Spring that should bring additional features. Of course, fixes to things that are broken should be happening regularly.
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