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Re: The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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Post by kpennell » Fri, Aug 07, 2015, 6:45 PM UTC

soylentcola wrote: post #175

AlexeyMK wrote: post #93

The article resonates strongly with me. In college, I felt part of (and strongly resonated with) the Penn CS / hacker community. Moving to SF after graduation, I had lots of varying friendships and relationships, but there was no unifying community (IE, the graph of relationships and acquaintances was too sparse). The closest I came to community was based on workplace. When I left the US and began traveling the world…

I've also found similar things in the "Burner" community (ie: people who participate in Burning Man and the many regional events). I don't mean to suggest that everyone would have the same interests or that there aren't also a lot of people who just go to the festivals because they're fun festivals. Still, it has ticked a lot of the same "boxes" for me. Ideally, it's a community that's based on participation. When yo…

Awesome comment. Reminds me of my friend Mary who was able to get some part time work off of the burner listserve in Cap Hill, Seattle.

In Colorado, where I am, it's been really nice to be able to tap into at least the awesome friendly dance parties that are tied to some of the burner scene.

But yeah, I think Burning Man's rise had a lot to do with this vacuum for community. It offers a lot to people. So funny how much judgement there is of it from outside of it. Funny to imagine what people think it's about.

Re: The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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Post by sitkack » Mon, Aug 10, 2015, 8:59 PM UTC

orionblastar wrote: post #179

sitkack wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most of the US founding fathers were Masons. Like I said. Any sort of good principles, like religious tolerance, was a by product of wanting to put personal wealth as the center of power over religious affiliation. If you want to supplant the church, you don't oppose it directly, you route around it by making it a non-issue.

It is sort of what atheists do these days, route around the church with technology and science. Then get on technology and science issues the church may not approve of and then bring up social issues in the community. Only thing is that sometimes churches get up on technology, science, and social issues like when Pope Francis supports evolution over creationism and then talks about working with atheists to fight clim…

The Catholic Church has done well to distance itself from arguing against science as a refutation of God. It took them awhile, but they eventually learned from that Galileo kerfuffle. If something in the physical universe is proof God, it will someday be understood, thereby shaking the foundations of the belief system. They are slowly removing all links from the physical to spiritual to make for sounder system. Maybe they should use a proof assistant, ;)

Re: The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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Post by orionblastar » Tue, Aug 11, 2015, 4:14 AM UTC

sitkack wrote: post #182

orionblastar wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is sort of what atheists do these days, route around the church with technology and science. Then get on technology and science issues the church may not approve of and then bring up social issues in the community. Only thing is that sometimes churches get up on technology, science, and social issues like when Pope Francis supports evolution over creationism and then talks about working with atheists to fight clim…

The Catholic Church has done well to distance itself from arguing against science as a refutation of God. It took them awhile, but they eventually learned from that Galileo kerfuffle. If something in the physical universe is proof God, it will someday be understood, thereby shaking the foundations of the belief system. They are slowly removing all links from the physical to spiritual to make for sounder system. Maybe…

Science does not deal in proof. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamen...

Science only deals with the observable universe, it cannot deal with spiritual things that cannot be observed. The only thing close to evidence of God is neurotheology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotheology

There is no such thing as a God-o-meter that can measure God. If God lives in Heaven and the only way to get there is to die and be judged good, how can one observe that? Once you go to Heaven you can't go back to Earth.

It might even end up being that God is an alien, the last of his race that was created early in the universe and has evolved for billions of years ahead of us and visited us during early stages of our development to help us along. Last seen over 2000 years ago and went home never to be heard of again.

Then again people argue that complex patterns in the universe and life itself is evidence of a creator, and skeptics claim that it came from random chance and not a creator. For every claim to evidence for a creator a skeptic will come up with an alternative to it.

I have to say that science does not have evidence against God nor does it have evidence for God. Atheists have taken over science to claim evolution proves God does not exist, etc. When Darwin was doing his theory he just left out God like Newton did with Gravity theory. So that it wouldn't be creationism and it would answer questions he had about creationism.

But yes the Catholic Church learns from its mistakes.