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Re: Ask HN: Who here would be interested in a free daily updated GeoIP database?

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Post by vld »

heyalexej wrote: post #61

It shouldn't be free, it should be reasonably priced so you don't run out of money and can keep this thing running for years to come. There's huge demand for it - just search for geoip on Github. Some more pointers are here [0],[1]. So many projects, but most of them work with Maxmind data, which is the problem. Inconsistencies in the data they provide makes it painful to make performant fallback solutions. Performan…

ip-api guy here.

> It seems none of these services is deployed across the globe

Our free service has servers in USA, EU and Asia

> There's a need for a blazing fast, reliable service with granular, comprehensive data, that is performing well for millions of requests across the globe, be it for mobile or web traffic.

We have more than 2 billion requests per month!

Re: Ask HN: Who here would be interested in a free daily updated GeoIP database?

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Post by martin-adams »

hannob wrote: post #65

honest opinion: I hate geoip. I think judging your visitors from their geolocation is more and more becoming a problem. It goes against the fundamental value of the Internet being a global network. I don't want Netflix to sell a sub-standard product in some countries because some licensing foo. I want everyone on this planet to have access to the same Internet. If I could I would redesign internet routing in a way th…

Sadly, with the whole European VAT requirements the guidelines are as follows:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-supplying-dig...

"the business making the supply must obtain and keep 2 pieces of non-contradictory information to support and evidence the member state where the customer is normally located."

One of those being: "the Internet Protocol (IP) address of the device used by the customer"

So sign up for something while abroad and you could get caught out.

Re: Ask HN: Who here would be interested in a free daily updated GeoIP database?

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Post by oalders »

Firegarden wrote: post #70
oalders wrote: post #20

(Disclaimer: I work for MaxMind) As far as formats go, if anyone is thinking of putting together a custom database with information keyed on IP address or IP ranges, I'd encourage you to look into our MaxMind DB format: http://maxmind.github.io/MaxMind-DB/ There are open source file readers available in many languages: https://github.com/maxmind/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&query=MaxMind-DB There's also an open source writer http…

Can you please confirm that the free versions are not 'good enough'? http://dev.maxmind.com/geoip/geoip2/geolite2/

If you want to compare the accuracy of different products, you can do so on this page:

https://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip2-city-database-accuracy

To get the actual product comparisons, you'll need to enter a country in the input box. For instance:

https://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip2-city-database-accuracy?cou...

You can try refining the distances to see how the different products compare. If you fiddle with it a bit, you'll see that the results do vary from country to country. So, "good enough" will depend on some combination of your tolerance for error + which countries you care about.

Re: Ask HN: Who here would be interested in a free daily updated GeoIP database?

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Post by atmosx »

hannob wrote: post #65

honest opinion: I hate geoip. I think judging your visitors from their geolocation is more and more becoming a problem. It goes against the fundamental value of the Internet being a global network. I don't want Netflix to sell a sub-standard product in some countries because some licensing foo. I want everyone on this planet to have access to the same Internet. If I could I would redesign internet routing in a way th…

> I want everyone on this planet to have access to the same Internet.

Really? Do you want everyone on this planet to get taxed equally too? Because if he answer is 'yes', then you're strategy isn't working.

Re: Ask HN: Who here would be interested in a free daily updated GeoIP database?

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Post by atmosx »

dennisgorelik wrote: post #62
mgkimsal wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

maxmind already does something like this, although you're just buying credits. twilio does the same thing. Other mail services i've used do credits as well. For my projects/demos/etc - $20/year is where I'm at with twilio (which has led to clients using it and spending hundreds or thousands more, minimum). With maxmind, $10/year might be all that I use (considering 1000 calls might only be $1 charge).

Ahh - Amazon Services model: charge on a metered basis. You would make almost nothing on small customers, but if some of your customers grow significantly - that's where your real revenue would come in (seamlessly for you and your customers). Should work too.

You should also try selling that strategy to investors, while not being Bezos, or find another job to support your venture :-)

Re: Ask HN: Who here would be interested in a free daily updated GeoIP database?

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Post by Axsuul »

Firegarden wrote: post #68

I have a domain name you could use localipy.com. Just tell me your nameservers.

I like the generosity here but no one in their right mind should consider this kind of offer unless the domain was transferred to them. There's too much risk involved and things that can go wrong unless a domain is 100% owned by you.

Re: Ask HN: Who here would be interested in a free daily updated GeoIP database?

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Post by Firegarden »

Axsuul wrote: post #76
Firegarden wrote: post #68

I have a domain name you could use localipy.com. Just tell me your nameservers.

I like the generosity here but no one in their right mind should consider this kind of offer unless the domain was transferred to them. There's too much risk involved and things that can go wrong unless a domain is 100% owned by you.

Right. I have so many names and I never put them to good use :S

Re: Ask HN: Who here would be interested in a free daily updated GeoIP database?

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Post by bytesandbots »

You seem to be solving a very sought after problem which also makes it so much more difficult. Where do you plan to source this much info?

Can somebody make me understand why ipv4 assignments along with their requests are not made public?

Re: Ask HN: Who here would be interested in a free daily updated GeoIP database?

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Post by dutchbrit »

raquo wrote: post #66
lucb1e wrote: post #41

I use GeoIP fairly regularly. How I would set this up: - Free version: only updated once [every 6 months / a year] and non-commercial use only - Paid version: $9.99 for a year of free updates - Updates come both in diff and in full version (for the commercial version) - Use a common format, or use multiple formats. People love csv, but more serious applications probably use an existing format (I see maxmind a lot in…

Why is paying with credit cards hard for Europeans?

Because the majority don't have/want credit cards.
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