>Physical contact and simulated physical contact (eg, textual descriptions like “hug” or “backrub”) without consent or after a request to stop. [violates the code of conduct]
I can't tell if this is a joke or not.
GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause
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Re: GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause
#22I feel like an open code of conduct is unnecessary. Really - the only thing you need to remember is - be nice to each other and be patient with those supplying advice and those who are asking for advice. (I have screenshots of discussions that violate this simple fundamental rule). I have flagged 40+ comments (that were accepted and acted upon) on stackoverflow alone of people just being stupid jerks. The SVN people…
It shouldn't be necessary, but it is.
We live in an age where if an action is not explicitly called out as unacceptable, a significant number of people will perform said action, because if it's not explicitly unacceptable, it's obviously acceptable. In short, if you don't say I can't abuse people, it's ok for me to abuse people.
Oh, and these people will also happily throw around the "First Amendment" as justification, which makes me incredibly sad for the future of our nation.
Solving that behavior though is incredibly difficult.
Re: GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause
#23Looking through some of the issues on that repo, the amount of bad faith people have in the very idea of a code of conduct is astonishing. Not to mention the sheer ignorance of issues affecting minorities within the tech community (seriously, Jon Stewart could have had a weeks worth of material). Sure, the wording of the code of conduct wasn't perfect, but it'd be much nicer if people wanted to see it improved in goo…
It seems like a lot of people are just upset because they feel the CoC discriminates against them. You are harassed and have privileges ? I don't care, being harassed is still not fine whether you have privileges or not. Seems to sum up what most people are complaining about.
For the sake of discussion, this is the part that people seem to be taking the most issue with:
Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding:
- ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’
- Reasonable communication of boundaries, such as “leave me alone,” “go away,” or “I’m not discussing this with you”
- Refusal to explain or debate social justice concepts
- Communicating in a ‘tone’ you don’t find congenial
- Criticizing racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions
Re: GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause
#24> to protect people who are typically the target of harassment in open source So if you are subjected to an unusual type of harassment, you're on your own?
It is very tempting to question the motives of who believes a 0% solution is better than 55% first step.
Re: GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause
#25That's the smartest thing they've done all week. Now it's time to bury it dead. This is a solution looking for a problem (tm). The only thing this code of conduct does beside state the obvious (behave like adults) is the implied distrust expressed by introducing it in the first place: that without being nannied into proper behaviour, we would all act like vile animals. Generally I find such nannying deeply offensive.
Why?
Edit: you edited that comment from a single line since I posted this.
To elaborate:
I think that codes of conduct can be very very useful, especially in resolving disputes or setting community standards. I don't think it's driven out of distrust. High profile harassment on GitHub is not good for GitHub, or the open source community as a whole.
Re: GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause
#26I feel like an open code of conduct is unnecessary. Really - the only thing you need to remember is - be nice to each other and be patient with those supplying advice and those who are asking for advice. (I have screenshots of discussions that violate this simple fundamental rule). I have flagged 40+ comments (that were accepted and acted upon) on stackoverflow alone of people just being stupid jerks. The SVN people…
> Really - the only thing you need to remember is - be nice to each other and be patient with those supplying advice and those who are asking for advice.
Or even simpler - don't be an ass/jerk. I guess it's just hard to define...
Re: GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause
#27>Physical contact and simulated physical contact (eg, textual descriptions like “ hug ” or “ backrub ”) without consent or after a request to stop. [violates the code of conduct] I can't tell if this is a joke or not.
Stuff like that doesn't belong on an issue tracker, whether it's invited or not.
Bring back the mailing lists.
Re: GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause
#28Looking through some of the issues on that repo, the amount of bad faith people have in the very idea of a code of conduct is astonishing. Not to mention the sheer ignorance of issues affecting minorities within the tech community (seriously, Jon Stewart could have had a weeks worth of material). Sure, the wording of the code of conduct wasn't perfect, but it'd be much nicer if people wanted to see it improved in goo…
It seems like the loudest voices are brand new accounts with some sort of anti-diversity agenda.
It's almost as if they might have magically appeared from 4chan or Reddit in order to troll or something...
Re: GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause
#29>Physical contact and simulated physical contact (eg, textual descriptions like “ hug ” or “ backrub ”) without consent or after a request to stop. [violates the code of conduct] I can't tell if this is a joke or not.
In an employment environment, that is clearcut sexual harassment. The OCC is bringing some of that professionalism to open source communities.
Why would it be a joke to ban annoying personally-targeted behaviors that are unrelated to the work product?
I can't think of a case where discussing cuddling someone is appropriate for a Pull Request, mailing list, or IRC chat
Re: GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause
#30I group "Code of Conduct" with Political Correctness. For anyone interested in a good read on the subject, check out End of Discussion: How the Left's Outrage Industry Shuts Down Debate, Manipulates Voters, and Makes America Less Free (and Fun) by Mary Ham and Guy Benson. It's an excellent read, and shouldn't be too much of a sting to the social outrage panderers out there.
> I set up my web browser to automatically change
> "political correctness" to "treating people with
> respect"
If you use the phrase "social outrage" or "social justice" as a pejorative, you're part of the problem :)