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Re: Almost Everything We Do Will Be Open

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nadams wrote: post #177
sytse wrote: post #173

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In contracts most terms are not defined. This allows the judge to interpret them according to their common meaning, for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patch_(computing) I don't think most people will consider an entire program a patch. Having us sign off on every patch defeats the intent of the clause. The intent is to give our customers a way to submit merge requests on https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ee…

> In contracts most terms are not defined. The GPL is one that I know that spells it out [1]: > This License applies to any program or other work which contains a notice placed by the copyright holder saying it may be distributed under the terms of this General Public License. The "Program", below, refers to any such program or work, and a "work based on the Program" means either the Program or any derivative work un…

You have good points, I'll have a lawyer look at this again.

I do wonder how would you define the patch file? How would you prevent people splitting up the changeset into multiple patch files?

I hope the intent of our license is clear. Most people and organizations want to do the right thing.

Re: Almost Everything We Do Will Be Open

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Post by sytse »

nadams wrote: post #180
exstudent2 wrote: post #179

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Thank you for the upvote, I wish more people would engage in conversation vs. just downvote opinions they don't agree with. I think the best course of action is to have a policy of: "We don't delete repos unless required by law." That would satisfy me as a potential customer. I think commenting on Twitter and getting involved at all was probably a mistake unless they were going to stick with the above philosophy. All…

Would you be ok with a policy of: > We don't delete repos unless explicitly requested by law enforcement or a DMCA takedown notice. What you said could be interpreted as "well...this repo was technically breaking the law so that's why we deleted it" - I would rather say "I deleted it to cooperate with law enforcement". And the DMCA takedown policy is required to protect service providers in the event some idiot decid…

In case this is the policy it would mean we could not delete something like revenge porn ourselves, we would first have to wait for a takedown notice. I don't want to host content like that https://xkcd.com/1357/

Re: Almost Everything We Do Will Be Open

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Post by sytse »

technomancy wrote: post #176
hikarudo wrote: post #91

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Settings -> Repository details -> Landing page -> Source

On an unrelated note, I gave up on GitLab last year because the landing page always showed recent commits instead of the readme, making it less welcoming to new users who just want to see what the project is about. I'm glad to see they have changed this; navigating to a GitLab project now shows you the readme. Definitely going to give it a long hard look to see if I can switch again.

Awesome, hope you like what you find.

Re: Almost Everything We Do Will Be Open

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Post by sytse »

hobofan wrote: post #174
skyraider wrote: post #72

GitLab Enterprise user here. GitLab's open-source policy is one of the major reasons we chose it (along with self-hosting and fairly modern, built-in continuous integration), but the GitLab community could use some additional design and documentation effort. Things that almost make me want to switch back to GitHub: - GitLab is really hard to look at. All of our devs are having trouble visually locating comments in di…

> And no, the Docker executor doesn't solve this because we don't want to test our Docker containers inside Docker. Why not? We are doing DinD testing on gitlab CI and it works great.

Glad to hear that.

Re: Almost Everything We Do Will Be Open

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Post by exstudent2 »

sytse wrote: post #182
nadams wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you be ok with a policy of: > We don't delete repos unless explicitly requested by law enforcement or a DMCA takedown notice. What you said could be interpreted as "well...this repo was technically breaking the law so that's why we deleted it" - I would rather say "I deleted it to cooperate with law enforcement". And the DMCA takedown policy is required to protect service providers in the event some idiot decid…

In case this is the policy it would mean we could not delete something like revenge porn ourselves, we would first have to wait for a takedown notice. I don't want to host content like that https://xkcd.com/1357/

That's why I don't want to do business with you. We already have a legal system to judge these things. GitLab doesn't need to take that on.

Also, the GG repo had nothing to do with revenge porn.

My initial post was promoting GitLab. I'm not sure I'm comfortable doing that anymore.

Re: Almost Everything We Do Will Be Open

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Post by exstudent2 »

nadams wrote: post #180
exstudent2 wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for the upvote, I wish more people would engage in conversation vs. just downvote opinions they don't agree with. I think the best course of action is to have a policy of: "We don't delete repos unless required by law." That would satisfy me as a potential customer. I think commenting on Twitter and getting involved at all was probably a mistake unless they were going to stick with the above philosophy. All…

Would you be ok with a policy of: > We don't delete repos unless explicitly requested by law enforcement or a DMCA takedown notice. What you said could be interpreted as "well...this repo was technically breaking the law so that's why we deleted it" - I would rather say "I deleted it to cooperate with law enforcement". And the DMCA takedown policy is required to protect service providers in the event some idiot decid…

> We don't delete repos unless explicitly requested by law enforcement or a DMCA takedown notice.

Yes, this policy sounds great to me.

Re: Almost Everything We Do Will Be Open

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Post by sytse »

exstudent2 wrote: post #185
sytse wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In case this is the policy it would mean we could not delete something like revenge porn ourselves, we would first have to wait for a takedown notice. I don't want to host content like that https://xkcd.com/1357/

That's why I don't want to do business with you. We already have a legal system to judge these things. GitLab doesn't need to take that on. Also, the GG repo had nothing to do with revenge porn. My initial post was promoting GitLab. I'm not sure I'm comfortable doing that anymore.

The legal system is not instant nor perfect.

Re: Almost Everything We Do Will Be Open

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Post by exstudent2 »

sytse wrote: post #187
exstudent2 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why I don't want to do business with you. We already have a legal system to judge these things. GitLab doesn't need to take that on. Also, the GG repo had nothing to do with revenge porn. My initial post was promoting GitLab. I'm not sure I'm comfortable doing that anymore.

The legal system is not instant nor perfect.

GitLab can do better? What jury decided to take down the GG repo? What checks and balances were in place?

You're free to run your company as you see fit but a non-trivial amount of people do care strongly about free speech and due process.

Re: Almost Everything We Do Will Be Open

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Post by nadams »

sytse wrote: post #182
nadams wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you be ok with a policy of: > We don't delete repos unless explicitly requested by law enforcement or a DMCA takedown notice. What you said could be interpreted as "well...this repo was technically breaking the law so that's why we deleted it" - I would rather say "I deleted it to cooperate with law enforcement". And the DMCA takedown policy is required to protect service providers in the event some idiot decid…

In case this is the policy it would mean we could not delete something like revenge porn ourselves, we would first have to wait for a takedown notice. I don't want to host content like that https://xkcd.com/1357/

> In case this is the policy it would mean we could not delete something like revenge porn ourselves

I could argue either way (I'm a bit of a philosopher that way...). It all depends on how you want to run your service. Do you want a reddit-free-for-all-wild-west or do you want to keep it PG-13?

Either way - it should be clearly defined where you stand and what you allow/don't allow. Making it a guessing game isn't going to win you any fans.

Re: Almost Everything We Do Will Be Open

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Post by sytse »

exstudent2 wrote: post #188
sytse wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The legal system is not instant nor perfect.

GitLab can do better? What jury decided to take down the GG repo? What checks and balances were in place? You're free to run your company as you see fit but a non-trivial amount of people do care strongly about free speech and due process.

How many major platforms only take down content based on takedown requests and not by their own initiative?

We care deeply about free speech too, but please get your own server https://xkcd.com/1357/

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