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Re: Almost Everything We Do Will Be Open

#21

Just saw that gitlab now offers free hosting, you only pay for support (only if you want it). Do enough people really pay for support in order to keep gitlab from going under? Free software is one thing, but free hosting? It just blows my mind how they can offer such a thing.

Github does exactly the same with Github Pages.

Re: Almost Everything We Do Will Be Open

#22

This article uses a bit of openwashing to make "publicly viewable source code" seem "open". It's not. It's proprietary.

It is, we don't intent to be vague about this. I hadn't heard of the term openwashing, but I understand the criticism. See also our license for our proprietary GitLab Enterprise Edition: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ee/blob/master/LICENSE And the license for our open source GitLab Community Edition (MIT Expat): https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/blob/master/LICENSE

Isn't the copy a little bit vague? I mean if I want to help I need to copy it?

Re: Almost Everything We Do Will Be Open

#23

This article uses a bit of openwashing to make "publicly viewable source code" seem "open". It's not. It's proprietary.

It is, we don't intent to be vague about this. I hadn't heard of the term openwashing, but I understand the criticism. See also our license for our proprietary GitLab Enterprise Edition: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ee/blob/master/LICENSE And the license for our open source GitLab Community Edition (MIT Expat): https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/blob/master/LICENSE

Well, you are. Let me read to you the definition of Open Source:

> Open source software is software that can be freely used, changed, and shared (in modified or unmodified form) by anyone.

Re: Almost Everything We Do Will Be Open

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is, we don't intent to be vague about this. I hadn't heard of the term openwashing, but I understand the criticism. See also our license for our proprietary GitLab Enterprise Edition: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ee/blob/master/LICENSE And the license for our open source GitLab Community Edition (MIT Expat): https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/blob/master/LICENSE

Well, you are. Let me read to you the definition of Open Source: > Open source software is software that can be freely used, changed, and shared (in modified or unmodified form) by anyone.

That's not the definition of "open source", that's the definition of "free software". As you can see by this very article, "open" and "free" are not the same.

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.e...

Re: Almost Everything We Do Will Be Open

#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is, we don't intent to be vague about this. I hadn't heard of the term openwashing, but I understand the criticism. See also our license for our proprietary GitLab Enterprise Edition: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ee/blob/master/LICENSE And the license for our open source GitLab Community Edition (MIT Expat): https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/blob/master/LICENSE

Well, you are. Let me read to you the definition of Open Source: > Open source software is software that can be freely used, changed, and shared (in modified or unmodified form) by anyone.

It truly is distressing how programmers whose livelihood depends on free software (or "open source", if you prefer) are often so ignorant about it.

Re: Almost Everything We Do Will Be Open

#27
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It's hard to compete against GitHub. I hope they will get some traction so we have an alternative to GitHub once it gets bought by MS (and becomes the next SourceForge).

Is bitbucket considered not a competitor? I've found it quite suitable for anything github does, though I'm at max a 5 person team.

Re: Almost Everything We Do Will Be Open

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you are. Let me read to you the definition of Open Source: > Open source software is software that can be freely used, changed, and shared (in modified or unmodified form) by anyone.

That's not the definition of "open source", that's the definition of "free software". As you can see by this very article, "open" and "free" are not the same. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.e...

They are: http://opensource.org/osd

The only difference is their argument. Free software uses ethical arguments, open source denies ethics altogether and uses consequentialist arguments related to business value and technical superiority (which are becoming increasingly criticized).

Re: Almost Everything We Do Will Be Open

#29

Just saw that gitlab now offers free hosting, you only pay for support (only if you want it). Do enough people really pay for support in order to keep gitlab from going under? Free software is one thing, but free hosting? It just blows my mind how they can offer such a thing.

Lots of places do it. Disk space relative to code size is extraordinarily cheap. Just look at the granddaddy, GMail. Google gave away 1 GB per user back in 2004 because they figured the ads would support it.
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