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Eating Spicy Food Linked to a Longer Life

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Re: Eating Spicy Food Linked to a Longer Life

#91
OK health and nutrition people….. enough is enough.

For generations you have been giving us little correlations, tidbits of mechanisms. Vitamin X, High Intensity Sleep, Antioxidants, Kale, CR… Hot off the presses… new experiment reintroducing critically endangered carnivorous gut fauna…

There is nothing useful that we can do with this "information." It's just random letters from some book that you are throwing at us one at a time. "We found some Hs! It's the first letter in this chapter about Kano Jigaro and appears a dozen time a page. He had exceptional balance, grip strength and organizational skills. It's important. Pay attention to your Hs."

I demand a theory, preferably something simple and powerful like Darwinism that we can demonstrate by drawing sailboats. An equation would be nice.

Just this week I burned my mouth on a chili pepper. I fainted getting out of my ice bath after a 48 hour CR Fast and I went through the window doing HIIT sprints on an omnidimensional walking desk.

I'm going back to the food pyramid. Gimme some spuds.

Re: Eating Spicy Food Linked to a Longer Life

#92
My n=1 case for spicy foods.

I have a secondary systemic inflammation to due a genetic condition that make my mitochondria to malfunction. Usual symptoms include a profound fatigue after working-out and muscle weakness, specially in the extra-ocular muscles.

I have been always centered around supplements to improve the energy output (ATP) of my mitochondria (Coq10, ALCAR, idebedone ... you name it). While this made a big difference in my everyday energy levels, I always felt that this systemic fatigue couldn't come only from a energy deficit, as I was able to workout with pretty good intensity and decent weights (I can squat 1.5 my body weight).

The first hint came a couple of months ago when a friend of mine went to the doctor because he was also profoundly fatigued and the doctor told him that he had some kind of auto-immune disease that was causing a systemic inflammation and this systemic inflammation was likely the main cause for the fatigue.

The second hint came right here from HN [1]. So, I just added turmeric extract to my daily regimen 10 days ago and the results have been really impressive so far. I can recover much easier from my workouts and my general energy level has also improved a lot, specially during the mornings. It is too soon to tell, but after so many years trying so many supplements I have developed a anti-placebo and anti-bullshit sense for all these things, and this one is working for real.

Now, I am not meaning that spicy food will make you live longer, but it seems clear that they have some potent active substances that "do" something in our bodies.

I am now trying to add some spicy foods to my meals. The first one has been a very simple curry rice with black pepper (to improve absorption) to eat it post-workout.

Some relevant references:

Curcumin database [2]

Good general info about turmeric [3]

Mitochondria as a target in the therapeutic properties of curcumin [4]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9960441

[2] http://www.crdb.in/

[3] http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=78

[4] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25243820

Re: Eating Spicy Food Linked to a Longer Life

#93

The more spicy food you eat the less crappy food you eat...? That could actually be the explanation (not a variable I saw corrected for in the text at least).

Quite possibly. The people I know who are really into spicy food tend to be people who cook for themselves rather than living off microwave meals. I'm no heat freak nor particularly a connoisseur of fine foods and I'm moving more away from repackaged foods as my taste for the spices develops and I'm starting to have preferences and opinions rather than just shoving stuff that is "easy and good enough" down my gullet when I eat at home.

Of course cooking for yourself does not necessarily mean eating more healthily, so even if this is something to do with the observed difference there are will be other significant contributing factors too.

Re: Eating Spicy Food Linked to a Longer Life

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The spicier the food, the more water you drink (maybe). There's also the link to certain spices (like chili peppers) that are highly anti-inflammatory. Personally, the more spicy food I eat, the more I have dessert.

"The spicier the food, the more water you drink (maybe)." Negative. Water actually amplifies the sensation. The sugar in the desert counters the sensation, as does milk. If I go awhile without eating "11" hot, when I return I have to follow it with milk or sugar(or both=Thai Tea or Cafe Sua Da). Otherwise, the subsequent burning sensation can be quite unpleasant. I always go to "11" when I feel a cold or flu coming o…

If I go too hot or if I'm making a really hot hot sauce, I'll go for citrus. The acid counters down the oils and help faster. In the sauce, it balances things. Same for pineapple.

Re: Eating Spicy Food Linked to a Longer Life

#95
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the endorphin theory is a pretty common explanation, but I think for me and for many others it's largely about flavour. I enjoy the flavour of chili peppers, and I also enjoy how spiciness brings out other flavours in food and makes it richer and more interesting.

>I also enjoy how spiciness brings out other flavours in food and makes it richer and more interesting What? I do like spicy food occasionally, but my main gripe with "very" spicy food is not how painful it is, but how the spiciness overwhelms all other flavors and it's the only thing you can taste. Like you might as well be eating chili paste because you can't taste anything else anyway.

well, you are simply having too much chilli in the food. good curry for example isn't one that burns your mouth (if you eat it regularly), but rather enrich all flavors present, including many other herbs and spices. if you don't feel anything else but burn, your cook ain't that good :)

Re: Eating Spicy Food Linked to a Longer Life

#96
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That's always the same story. A group of researchers finds a funny correlation in the data. They don't know the cause of the correlation, but they just write an article explaining that. Of course, the article if full of conditionals and sentences like: "this should be investigates further". Then, a journalist finds this paper, eliminates all the conditionals and writes a click-bait article, so his employer can earn m…

You know… I'm not sure the press and the readers are more culpable that scientists and scientific institutions.

First, Universities have PR offices, a army or administrators and marketing people. They want attention and "clickbait"in their own way. It's not like they don't know that a nutrition study finding a correlation between chili and stomach fat will get traction in the world of "one weird trick." I don't think they are ticking all the boxes and misinterpreted despite all efforts.

Second, a lot of the science just isn't good. Not enough independently corroborating studies, hypothesis fitting… The world of health and nutrition has produced bad information that passed through to official recommendation used by governments, doctors… remember when we were supposed to be scared of eggs because of cholesterol? What was the evidence for that?

Third, science has rejected other knowledge systems like folk traditions, wives tails and such. That's great when they give us an alternative. The planets are not being pulled across the sky by chariots, no argument. But when it comes to nutrition, if you look back over the last 2 generations… listening to your grandmother would have been better than listening to science. They haven't earned credibility of "science."

Re: Eating Spicy Food Linked to a Longer Life

#97
post #91

OK health and nutrition people….. enough is enough. For generations you have been giving us little correlations, tidbits of mechanisms. Vitamin X, High Intensity Sleep, Antioxidants, Kale, CR… Hot off the presses… new experiment reintroducing critically endangered carnivorous gut fauna… There is nothing useful that we can do with this "information." It's just random letters from some book that you are throwing at us…

Give them some credit: they've figured out that consuming food and fluids is good for you. I had been making the mistake of eating nothing at all so this is all a big help.

Re: Eating Spicy Food Linked to a Longer Life

#98
This is why Indian people eat Curry!

Jokes apart on a more serious note the crux of the study is --

"Compared with those who ate spicy foods less than once a week, those who consumed spicy foods 6 or 7 days a week showed a 14% relative risk reduction in total mortality. "

Although this study is very vague, in Asian cultures health benefits of spices and various plant products is well known.

Ginger : Has Cox2 inhibitory function. Acting in a similar way to Aspirin and other NSAIDS. Helps prevent heart attacks

Curcumin : found in turmeric has anti-inflammatory similar to ginger but is poorly absorbed. Hence mad more benefits for the Gut.

Arjuna Terminalis : Bark of the plant is known to have anti-hypertensive benefits.

And the list goes on.

The problem is that in the traditional way these plants are consumed (unprocessed in food and NOT in EXTRACT form) these have very poor Bioavailability.

The only way these so called health benefits would be apparent is if they were part of the diet (you eat them everyday - as noted in the study) or they are consumed in the form of Extract.

Also many of these compounds can not be patented and this deters the pharmaceutical industry to make large investments in the clinical trails and bringing them to the market.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/?term=curcumin

http://time.com/3984504/turmeric-supplements-curcumin/

Re: Eating Spicy Food Linked to a Longer Life

#99
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A co-author mentions they need more data. This reminded me of the huge study of diet and health outcomes in China by T. Colin Cambell of Cornell in the late 1900's. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study

Very interesting study unfortunately the conclusions from the book has been debunked[0] a few times. It's a great example of how hard nutritional research is, even with an incredible big dataset and a bunch of very intelligent PHDs it's still very easy to come to the wrong conclusion.

I can highly recommend "Death by Food Pyramid" though, it's a very honest look into food science and the author is very honest about what we know (not a whole lot for sure but we have some strong indications that some diets seem to produce better results) and what we don't know.

[0] http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fal...

Re: Eating Spicy Food Linked to a Longer Life

#100
Shhh... Don't show it to my mother ! If she sees this, my whole family is going to be on a regimen of hot peppers until she reads something else :)

My mother is the kind who changes the whole family's diet when she reads some sufficiently convincing diet book or study. At one point we ate dissociated food. At another point it was blood type food. At another point it was raw roots or something. I love my mother and she's an excelent cook, and she never forced us to eat according to the books, but she would be very insistent, because there were studies that showed ...

Most of the time the results of those studies were disproved, either by another experiment or by some technical issue with the way the study was conducted.

Just like there were studies that smoking is actually good for you and studies that showed that children who drink sugar soda from an early age are heathier.

The point I'm trying to make is that these studies are not just 'informative', they have real consequences on real families. There are families out there who will start eating hot food just because they've read this study.

I hope they don't torture themselves for nothing.

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