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Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Excellent plan. Now we only need to worry about the small matters designing an alternative system that acheives what the domain name system does without those draw-backs, and convincing people to use the new system...

There is one, and its called search. People are getting used to ask the search engine on their phones and tablets for finding websites, so the big engineer problem is remaking the service into private instances which isn't controlled by google or apple.

How would hyperlinks work in this model? If I have a hyperlink "This is an awesome program" that links to gimp.org, how is search going to help if gimp.org goes away?

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

#84
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is one, and its called search. People are getting used to ask the search engine on their phones and tablets for finding websites, so the big engineer problem is remaking the service into private instances which isn't controlled by google or apple.

How would hyperlinks work in this model? If I have a hyperlink "This is an awesome program" that links to gimp.org, how is search going to help if gimp.org goes away?

The hyperlink URL text could contain a secure hash of the gimp.org home page. Or a revision number and the hash of a public key used to sign gimp.org home page revisions. Or of a document containing three public keys, the majority of which need to sign a home page revision for it to be considered a valid value for the link. Or, as in onion services, the hash of the public key of the server hosting the document, along with a document path to send to that server when you manage to reach them. Or a name unique within a certain namespace, and a public key used to sign new versions of the document listing the name-hash mappings for the latest version of the namespace. And maybe a list of IPv4:port pairs to contact to ask for the document. Or the name of a decentralized pub-sub channel where versions of the page are periodically announced — maybe the Bitcoin blockchain. There are lots of possibilities.

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

#85
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is one, and its called search. People are getting used to ask the search engine on their phones and tablets for finding websites, so the big engineer problem is remaking the service into private instances which isn't controlled by google or apple.

How would hyperlinks work in this model? If I have a hyperlink "This is an awesome program" that links to gimp.org, how is search going to help if gimp.org goes away?

If we look at how people currently share links in social media then url shorterners are very common in use. That would point towards either local or centralized services providing the share-ability of links which would translate between a local address and a global name which may simply be a hash string. There are also QR codes and magnet links which neither rely on a domain name service to operate, but which are used by people to share the address identification for a resource.

They are not trivial solutions to the problem, but the fact that they are in use makes its plausible that a solution can be found.

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

#86
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would hyperlinks work in this model? If I have a hyperlink "This is an awesome program" that links to gimp.org, how is search going to help if gimp.org goes away?

The hyperlink URL text could contain a secure hash of the gimp.org home page. Or a revision number and the hash of a public key used to sign gimp.org home page revisions. Or of a document containing three public keys, the majority of which need to sign a home page revision for it to be considered a valid value for the link. Or, as in onion services, the hash of the public key of the server hosting the document, along…

"The hyperlink URL text could contain a secure hash of the gimp.org home page. Or a revision number and the hash of a public key used to sign gimp.org home page revisions."

That would help to make sure you got the right page, but wouldn't help you find it.

Your other suggestions (e.g. a list of IP addresses/ports) are basically just reimplementing DNS, but with more complexity. :-)

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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This is exactly why we created a domain name/ssl reminder tool: http://www.expirify.com . A really easy mistake to make and very costly, I hope they get it back

Shouldn't the registrar do that? Namecheap sends me multiple emails when any of my domains is about to expire, it's just common business sense.

The registrar does indeed do that, but only to the owner of the account. What if say you work in an agency and the person who setup the account has left? We created Expirify because we missed an SSL certificate renewal notice because it was sent to somebody who no longer worked with us...

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

#89
post #39

This is exactly why we created a domain name/ssl reminder tool: http://www.expirify.com . A really easy mistake to make and very costly, I hope they get it back

Just a heads up, your DNS took a long time to resolve for me. You appear to have an invalid nameserver (ns3.gridhost.co.uk) listed at the root. https://r1dns.com/dnscheck.cgi?domain=expirify.com

Thanks r1ch! I'll get that sorted :)

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

#90

This is exactly why we created a domain name/ssl reminder tool: http://www.expirify.com . A really easy mistake to make and very costly, I hope they get it back

It looks like the service is free. How do you make money on the site?

The service is currently free, there's a bunch of ways we might monetise it but for now we're happy putting out there to see how people get on with it.
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