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Re: Freight Startups Attract Silicon Valley’s Attention

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I guess this is the next upheaval in shipping. I think the last upheaval was with the introduction of the shipping container. A fascinating read on the subject: http://www.amazon.com/The-Box-Shipping-Container-Smaller/dp/...

It's also interesting in that it touches on many of the factors that can inhibit the adoption of new technologies: lack of standards, regulations, entrenched interests like labor agreements, and limits imposed by existing infrastructure.

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"Many freight veterans and analysts are skeptical of these efforts, saying forwarding is too complex and too dependent on longstanding relationships for new online entrants to compete." Because that's never been a problem technology has overcome. Any industry with veterans stating this sentiment is ripe for change. Not because an online app is going to solve all the worlds ills, but because there are people resisting…

The veterans aren't "resisting progress", as much as protecting their own interests by using their experience. It may be at the cost of other people, but I think it's short-sighted to call them luddites. Currently, they have no incentive to invest in tech in the way of a silicon valley startup backed by VCs. If the aim is progress to everyone's benefit, tech will make its mark once it's in the hands of some of the es…

For what it's worth, the historical Luddites also were protecting their own interests, rather than fundamentally motivated to resist progress. (I mention this with no judgement one way or another of their actions)

Re: Freight Startups Attract Silicon Valley’s Attention

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This could be pretty huge. I've dealt with several freight forwarding companies while building a previous startup of mine and it definitely struck me as an antiquated industry (this was 2007ish). Maybe a good benchmark for "disruptable" industries is that you have to actually make a telephone call to get something done. Time to get out the yellow pages and do some research!

> Time to get out the yellow pages and do some research!

The.... what?

:-)

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post #20

An oddly written story. Claims significant money invested in these companies ("$1 billion since the start of 2014") and proceeds to name only two -- Flexport and Freightos. The latter of which doesn't seem to fit the central disruption-of-established-industry theme because they sell software to the incumbents.

Improving the performance of the incumbents is one desired effect of disruption. They can choose to be proactive or reactive in their attempts to protect market share from new entrants.

Re: Freight Startups Attract Silicon Valley’s Attention

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I'm involved extensively in logistics, and although I'm not Flexport's target customer nor involved in their specific space of logistics, I can easily say that they are the most exciting new thing in logistics since the container. The thing is, they aren't doing anything revolutionary. They are doing the same exact things that a lot of companies have done for decades. What makes them revolutionary is 1) They are doin…

Regulations are the hard part about freight. Each state has different rules on things, it's really crazy.

That was true in the container revolution also. Malcom McLean (inventor of modern shipping containers) had to sell his trucking business when he bought a shipping business because because the regulator at the time did not allow anyone to operate a trucking company and a shipping company at the same time. There were also rules in the US at various times which prevented people from operating a trucking/railroad company across multiple states as an anti-monopoly measure. Madness when you consider that this means shipments have to be unloaded at state lines!

Re: Freight Startups Attract Silicon Valley’s Attention

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post #25

My dad ran a freight forwarding business for 25 years. They still use paper and fax. Half the office space is dedicated to cabinets of storage for paper files. Their main technology is an ancient IBM mainframe. Flexport is really going to change things.

yes, my dad does a lot of business with freight companies too. but, around the LA/Long Beach Ports for his import business --- --- and they are very old school

Re: Freight Startups Attract Silicon Valley’s Attention

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From this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9799007 I learned how hard it is to do anything in this field. None the less, if someone find a way to solve it, it's truly going to be transformative.

I think the trick will be to create a digital version of a part of the system that already exists and then gradually simplify down to something more sane.

Otherwise it'd be really easy to drown in the almost endless complexity (a lot of which doesn't need to be there but accumulated).

Re: Freight Startups Attract Silicon Valley’s Attention

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From this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9799007 I learned how hard it is to do anything in this field. None the less, if someone find a way to solve it, it's truly going to be transformative.

I think the trick will be to create a digital version of a part of the system that already exists and then gradually simplify down to something more sane. Otherwise it'd be really easy to drown in the almost endless complexity (a lot of which doesn't need to be there but accumulated).

From what I understand a lot of the problem isn't tech dependent but rather legal, standards, union etc related.

Re: Freight Startups Attract Silicon Valley’s Attention

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Flexport is hiring engineers: https://jobs.lever.co/flexport As an engineer starting at Flexport in a couple of weeks, here are some more interesting resources that shaped my thinking: Interview with Ryan Petersen (Flexport CEO) https://theblueprint.com/stories/ryan-petersen/ Office hours at startup school 2013 with pg & sama https://youtu.be/syoqjYLDs48?t=1167 I also happened to have recently read Zero to One. Plus,…

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