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Plurk’s official response to Microsoft’s apology
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Re: Plurk’s official response to Microsoft’s apology
#52Wow HN, talk about blaming the victim here. I guess Plurk was totally asking for it?
Plurk isn't being blamed for having its code ripped-off. Plurk is being blamed for being stupid. Two different things.
Re: Plurk’s official response to Microsoft’s apology
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. This is weak on Plurk's part. How were they harmed? Microsoft screwed up and hired a shady vendor who did a shady thing. As soon as they realized what happened, they owned it, fired the vendor, and shut down the site. Just because Microsoft has money doesn't mean that Plurk deserves it.
Agreed again - if Microsoft was in beta too - it can be argued that the service was never fully offered to the public either, making the case even weaker...
beta badge != unavailable. A badge is actually a bit of a joke - a marketing tool itself so you can later say "our service that has been launched for years is out of beta!"
Re: Plurk’s official response to Microsoft’s apology
#54"I want my two dollars!"
Re: Plurk’s official response to Microsoft’s apology
#55It seems strange to me that although Microsoft is the company at fault here many of the commentators seem to be basically praising Microsoft and blaming/deriding the guys whose code was plagiarized.
I'm not praising MS. It seems they didn't pick their development partner wisely and they should certainly make it up to Plurk. My objection was based on the fact that MS has already showed a willingness to do this by issuing an unusually candid and fulsome apology.
The wise thing now for Plurk is to accept that apology gracefully and work with rather than against MS to move forward. If they don't want to be acquired, perhaps MS can devote their legal resources to helping Plurk gain access to the China market as a development partner, or lend some development resources to help Plurk package their solution into an API that MS and others can license a la Wordpress.
At present, MS is (almost certainly) spending good money on having their lawyers work out a defensive strategy against a possible lawsuit that will cost them a lot in bad press but which Plurk probably can't complete, given the implication that they don't even have funds or expertise to hire a PR company. I presume it's Plurk's Taiwanese business identity that keeps them out of the market in mainland China (since China technically views Taiwan as a rebellious province rather than a separate country, for historical reasons).
Some Taiwanese companies do conduct business in China, but Plurk is likely too small to tap the necessary diplomatic channels that facilitate such arrangements. MS could surely assist with that...if Plurk will let them. What Taiwanese diplomat will want to advocate for them if there's a chance it could lead to loss of face down the line? By maintaining their aggrieved stance, Plurk risks being given a grudging payoff to go away, whereas if they respond graciously, they might get the keys to the kingdom. The one thing more annoying than a sore loser is a sore winner.
Re: Plurk’s official response to Microsoft’s apology
#56Wow HN, talk about blaming the victim here. I guess Plurk was totally asking for it?
Of course not. If you'll forgive a metaphor:
A hard-working craftsman is selling his goods at market, when a thief in servant's livery grabs something from his stall and runs away. Leaving his son to guard the stall, he pursues the thief, following him to the house of a rich man, where guards forbid him to enter.
He wails at the loss of his precious goods, attracting the sympathy of a crowd who have followed the chase out of curiosity. Hearing the commotion, the rich man comes to the gate and is embarrassed. He fires the dishonest servant and apologizes fulsomely to the craftsman, praising his handiwork.
Now, should the humble craftsman berate the rich man in front of a crowd for the fact of his poor hiring decision, or compliment him on his wealth and taste? Would it help if the rich man was reputed to have a beautiful daughter with a substantial dowry, who had been unable to find a suitable husband?
Re: Plurk’s official response to Microsoft’s apology
#57Ah, I was rooting for you guys. I really was. But you played this in the most unwise way. You are nothing more than a speck on the bottom of Microsoft's foot. You're not even a gnat causing them the tiniest bit of annoyance. It's harsh, but reality. And what could have turned out to be an amazing opportunity to potentially strike a deal with MS will end up with you perhaps with a bit more publicity, but severed ties because you're trying to be sharks. You've got to bite your tongue and subdue your emotions at times to get ahead. That's a general life lesson.
Re: Plurk’s official response to Microsoft’s apology
#58The open source projects I see on their site aren't under AGPL, they're not even GPL, they're BSD. What's the issue with using it? Also, unless they're following a different credo than the rest of the open source world, why are they complaining about "stealing" UI? I thought people in Open Source didn't believe in software patents?
I don't think Plurk is open source.
Re: Plurk’s official response to Microsoft’s apology
#59Even I, as a co-founder of Plurk, have to write this press release myself. You poor dear. Look guys, quit while you're ahead. Everyone knows you are not going to sue Microsoft because the legal fees would be bigger than your market cap. The smart thing would be to take this down and say only that you're 'discussing it with them. Let MS takes you out on a date and give them some room to make it up to you. Sometimes th…
But, just as you point out they can't sue them accepting their apology doesn't guarantee they won't see Juku 2.0 again in a month or two. They got basically a stay of execution on this, but they don't have MS saying we won't be in the market.
I would be pursuing options of a lawsuit and talks with MS at the same time. If talks break down with MS I'd want have researched that option. Even if it's just a negotiation trick should it get really dirty.
Re: Plurk’s official response to Microsoft’s apology
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. This is weak on Plurk's part. How were they harmed? Microsoft screwed up and hired a shady vendor who did a shady thing. As soon as they realized what happened, they owned it, fired the vendor, and shut down the site. Just because Microsoft has money doesn't mean that Plurk deserves it.
I think you've hit the nail on the head - and that's exactly why Plurk is going about it the way they have: They're not expecting a proper legal repercussion to take place - they want publicity for themselves, and bad press for MS. In his previous blog post he begged for this to become viral.
" they want publicity for themselves, and bad press for MS. In his previous blog post he begged for this to become viral."
But the upshot is that it's creating bad press for Plurk, because they're now coming off, in the words of another poster here, as petulant.
I read Microsoft's statement, then saw the Plurk comment, and I thought they came off as a bit childish.
Microsoft seems to have done the proper, stand-up thing here. Shake hands and be done.