Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: Which JavaScript frameworks do you use?

news.ycombinator.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

31–40 of 71 posts

Re: Ask HN: Which JavaScript frameworks do you use?

#31

Post by rish »

I like Mithril which is similar to React/Ractive.

https://lhorie.github.io/mithril/

It doesn't abstract away too much from JavaScript and provides good methodologies as outlined in the Learn/Guide section of the site.

As per your points:

1. A good couple of hours to about 6 depending on expertise just to test the workflow, get comfortable with MSX and to read the docs.

2. I've not used it in production as for current as I am still in an experimentation speed, but the whole premise is that it acts as a UI layer amongst the business logic that you may already have. It is fairly transportable.

3. This would be on a medium scale level depending how you couple your code and how modular you keep it.

4. Because it is fairly straight forward to get up and running. The blog posts alone provide great insight into application structure. Also the benchmark claims are quite appealing.

Re: Ask HN: Which JavaScript frameworks do you use?

#32

Post by jcadam »

My preference is Backbone + Marionette, with Bootstrap for layout. I've tried Angular and Ember and I have to say I'm not a fan.

Take my opinion with a (large) grain of salt. I'm not a "professional" JS/front-end developer. I'm a back-end dev (Java/Scala/Python) by day and really only touch frontend stuff when working on my own projects. My "me" time is precious and I don't want to spend it wrestling with some uber-framework :)

Re: Ask HN: Which JavaScript frameworks do you use?

#34

Post by techpeace »

I use Marionette: http://marionettejs.com/

1. You can grasp the basics in just a few hours, but obviously this is entirely subjective. A week-long training course will really get you going, though. The nice thing in terms of learning it is that the maintainers consider Marionette the "non-framework framework," in that it's just JavaScript, with no new paradigms to learn.

2. Hmmm, 3 for me, but that's also subjective. The more work you put into developing a sane architecture, the higher this number will be, but Marionette doesn't really impose an architecture on you, so YMMV.

3. 3, but see caveat from #2. Depends on how you write your code, really.

4. I chose it because, as stated above, "it's just JavaScript." I don't have to get my team up to speed on an entirely new development paradigm in order to use it. It's not really a "framework," per se, since you aren't given as much functionality out of the box as you would be when writing an Ember app. This means there's less chance of being hemmed in by the limits of the framework. This is a familiar tradeoff - a larger framework that gets you up and running faster, but with more chance of encountering an edge case that it doesn't fully support, vs. a smaller library that requires more up-front work, but is easier to mold to fit your own ends when necessary. In a few years, as the larger frameworks grow more mature, I'll be more likely to use them in my projects.

Re: Ask HN: Which JavaScript frameworks do you use?

#35

Post by robmcm »

y0ghur7_xxx wrote: post #25

I use plain vailla JS with some libraries I like for the functionality I need. I can easly replace any lib when something better or some new functionality that the old lib does not implement comes out: - form2object for form serialization - pnotify for notifications - routie or page.js for routing - jqplot for graphs - jquery for dom manipulation and ajax calls - moment.js for date math - socket.io for websockets - e…

> 4. Why did you choose that Framework?: I didn't want to be locked in to angular when react comes out, or be locked in to react when the next big thing comes out.

This is a very valid point and something we consider a lot as our application will likely take 5 years to be production ready. However for the vast majority of projects they will be dead before the next big thing arrives, and frameworks really help as a one stop shop for most of what you need.

Re: Ask HN: Which JavaScript frameworks do you use?

#37

Post by ralmidani »

jcadam wrote: post #32

My preference is Backbone + Marionette, with Bootstrap for layout. I've tried Angular and Ember and I have to say I'm not a fan. Take my opinion with a (large) grain of salt. I'm not a "professional" JS/front-end developer. I'm a back-end dev (Java/Scala/Python) by day and really only touch frontend stuff when working on my own projects. My "me" time is precious and I don't want to spend it wrestling with some uber-f…

It depends on how large your projects are. At some point, the time required to learn an "uber-framework" like Ember is eclipsed by the time needed to implement things not included with a smaller framework like Backbone.

Re: Ask HN: Which JavaScript frameworks do you use?

#38

Post by robmcm »

neals wrote: post #17

Been using all kinds of frameworks going back to PureMVC and RobotLegs in AS3, backbone and Angular in JS. Built a great many sites small and large. I finally made the step to make my own framework, utilizing the best parts of what I've come across. The first version was ok, but the thirds version that I'm currently using makes me a blazing fast Javascript contractor.

> makes me a blazing fast Javascript contractor

... and a nightmare to the poor developer that has to maintain it.

Re: Ask HN: Which JavaScript frameworks do you use?

#39

Post by callum85 »

nailer wrote: post #8

ractive. It's the best kept secret in web development. Want a live binding, 2 way, super performant virtual DOM, that feels less like a framework and more like something that came with JavaScript? var binding = new Ractive({ el: '.some-class', template: ' Hi there {{ name }} ', data: { name: 'Alex' } }) It's created and maintained by The Guardian interactive team. http://www.ractivejs.org/ ## Time needed for Learning…

"best kept secret in web development" – agreed, Ractive has the lowest hype:quality ratio of any library I've used. It makes React look over-engineered and slow (and React is one of the best).

Re: Ask HN: Which JavaScript frameworks do you use?

#40

Post by ronjouch »

warfangle wrote: post #15

ReactJS + webpack, though I've used Angular and browserify in the past. 1. It's just a component framework. It doesn't do the kitchen sink, like Angular does. A couple hours reading the spec and implementing a small test case gets a seasoned developer up to speed on it. Flux takes a little bit longer to get used to, though, and I'm still not quite sure I'm 'doing it right.' 2. Coupled with webpack and an automated te…

> 3. [...] The favored test runner, Jest, provides automocking for dependencies and code coverage analysis. 3/3.

Thanks for sharing! A few questions about Jest:

a. Are you happy with Jest auto-mocking? How do you keep a team from banging its head on this "exotic" behavior? (Typically, devs would be stuck on a test for a few hours, only to notice they failed to unmock something in the chain being tested). Have you tried the alternative of eschewing Jest and doing vanilla Jasmine, including lots of mocks?

b. You mention "code coverage analysis". Is it working now? Last time I used it, it was broken and in need of a dependency (Istanbul) revamp/upgrade.

c. Do you do "semi-end-to-end" DOM tests (i.e. those booting a micro Selenium-like browser/js environment [1] and letting you do DOM assertions like `findRenderedDOMComponentWithClass` and others at [2])? Last time I worked with React, the team initially loved the ability to do those (as an in-between of unit tests & real end-to-end tests) but after adding a bunch of them, tests took 2min to run instead of 2s, and we were considering removing/splitting them.

[1] Don't quote me on that, I have no idea how these environments work but it's certainly not Selenium :P . BTW, can anyone detail the machinery / underlying engine making those work?

[2] https://facebook.github.io/react/docs/test-utils.html

Post reply on HN