The gimp.org domain has expired • Hacker News Board

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Post by kuschku » Thu, Aug 06, 2015, 2:12 PM UTC

gokhan wrote: post #21

zymhan wrote: post #17

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How is this necessary if there is a grace period after a domain expires?

You can't use your domain in grace period until you pay. It gets redirected.

With ICANN registrars, that is true.

DENIC, for example, (which operates seperately and has their own, incompatible WHOIS system), operates .de differently:

After your domain ran out, it will get "locked", all DNS settings will be locked they were before, and you get a letter or an SMS. The domain will stay locked for 2 weeks, during that you can enter the code from the SMS or letter on a website to move the domain to another registrar or delete the domain.

If you don’t react at all, after 2 weeks, the domain goes into TRANSIT. It still stays locked, but now you get actually billed for it, until you enter the code or delete the domain.

Essentially, with DENIC, the domain stays locked until you decide to delete it or move it to another registrar.

You can also disable the TRANSIT, in that case, if the domain runs out, after 2 weeks grace period of being locked it actually runs out.

Remember: Not all NICs operate like ICANN.

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Post by nkozyra » Thu, Aug 06, 2015, 2:19 PM UTC

josephmx wrote: post #54

nadams wrote: post #24

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1&1 and gandi both offer automatic renewal. In fact I don't think I would use a registrar that didn't offer that. More likely what happened was that the guy who was incharge disappeared and/or his credit card number changed. And when the registrar tried to renew - it couldn't and I'm sure sent tons of emails of "HEY YOU NEED TO FIX THIS". Something similar almost happened to CentOS.

Namecheap and GoDaddy also offer auto renewal. I've never heard of auto renewal not being offered.

Hover as well.

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Post by catwell » Thu, Aug 06, 2015, 2:31 PM UTC

nadams wrote: post #55

mbrutsch wrote: post #46

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I've been with Gandi for years, absolutely love them

So far it's been rocky with me. I had a VM that I used with what I think is called GandiFlex (I set it to lower the memory during the night and increase during the day) and apparently when my VM tried to scale up the hypervisor didn't have enough memory and for some reason failed to migrate the VM to another hypervisor. This left my VM offline for many hours until I noticed it. Gandi's customer support official respo…

The registrar part of Gandi (their historical business) is very, very good. The hosting part (more recent business) slightly less so.

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Post by sctb » Thu, Aug 06, 2015, 2:38 PM UTC

Grue3 wrote: post #47

Can the headline be changed to reflect the fact that it expired and wasn't "poached"?

Thanks, we've updated the title.

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Post by BinaryIdiot » Thu, Aug 06, 2015, 2:43 PM UTC

Note to self: check gimp.org on September 3rd to see if it was renewed or not.

In all seriousness I'm pretty surprised they would let it lapse. Hopefully they pick it up within the grace period. It would suck for a bad actor to get ahold of it and offer up the gimp for download with, say, malware in it.

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Post by delinka » Thu, Aug 06, 2015, 2:55 PM UTC

larrys wrote: post #65

delinka wrote: post #50

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Seconded, since the registrar has to provide a grace period, but can still redirect the expired domain to any place they like.

Edit: Not any place you want actually... Per ICANN if domain is made innactive the page that it points to if it points to a page (it doesn't have to you can just put the name on hold) needs to describe how to get the domain back. Once again that's only if a page is displayed displaying a page is not required. https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/errp-2013-02-28-en "2.2.4. In interrupting the DNS resolution path of t…

And how often is this enforced? Does the registrar actually face anything punitive for doing what's been done here?

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Post by larrys » Thu, Aug 06, 2015, 3:07 PM UTC

delinka wrote: post #76

larrys wrote: post #65

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Edit: Not any place you want actually... Per ICANN if domain is made innactive the page that it points to if it points to a page (it doesn't have to you can just put the name on hold) needs to describe how to get the domain back. Once again that's only if a page is displayed displaying a page is not required. https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/errp-2013-02-28-en "2.2.4. In interrupting the DNS resolution path of t…

And how often is this enforced? Does the registrar actually face anything punitive for doing what's been done here?

Good question. ICANN does audits where they cherry pick some domains and say "show me what the fuck happened in logs and prove you did the right things". However the audits are every 3 years or so and the domains are just random pickings. So it's up to a registrant that is wronged to file a complaint and then ICANN says something to the registrar and the registrar says something back and they close the case kind of like a residential noise complaint where the cops come out when called. There really aren't any minor punitive actions per se other than revoking accreditation which is major. And you would be correct in assuming that would be rare and ICANN first gives every chance for a registrar to correct the wrong doing. So you could in theory get away for this for years and if and when caught you would just get your act together and fix things up.

Note: I have been dealing with ICANN since the start and they tend to be pretty cool and fair with registrars but they do take complaints seriously and do follow up on them. Creates a ton and a pain of paperwork for registrars so that really is the negative to not complying in a way.

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Post by dspillett » Thu, Aug 06, 2015, 3:29 PM UTC

belorn wrote: post #52

dspillett wrote: post #44

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Excellent plan. Now we only need to worry about the small matters designing an alternative system that acheives what the domain name system does without those draw-backs, and convincing people to use the new system...

There is one, and its called search. People are getting used to ask the search engine on their phones and tablets for finding websites, so the big engineer problem is remaking the service into private instances which isn't controlled by google or apple.

There are many circumstances where direct linking is needed, including from outside the system (posters, business cards) - search doesn't work for that.

Even if you go for something like QR codes you want a method that doesn't rely on encoding the fixed network address of a resource (as fixed addresses are usually not as permanently static as they are initially intended).

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Post by kragen » Thu, Aug 06, 2015, 3:51 PM UTC

larrys wrote: post #67

belorn wrote: post #52

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There is one, and its called search. People are getting used to ask the search engine on their phones and tablets for finding websites, so the big engineer problem is remaking the service into private instances which isn't controlled by google or apple.

So on your business card instead of putting your name@domain you can just put "Hey! To find me just google 'my name at my long company name'" and people will end up in the right website, right? And what about email?

Put a QR code of your public key or public key hash on your business card, like the one in http://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan-signify.html. You really only need about 80 bits.

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Post by kragen » Thu, Aug 06, 2015, 4:23 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #66

kragen wrote: post #58

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You don't have to be an asshole to forget to renew your domain name, which is probably what happened here. Or to die without heirs who care. Or to not properly maintain your RAID, which is apparently what happened at SourceFarce. Are you suggesting we should be punishing ICANN and EMC? Probably the only practical way to "punish" them is to build a system that decentralizes the control out of their hands.

I wasn't thinking about this type of problems. I was thinking about domain squatting, poaching and various ways people try to make money off people's honest mistakes.

I think that if we have a usable system that keeps the original author of a page from being able to make it unavailable, it will also probably solve those other problems.