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Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Post by icebraining »

wahsd wrote: post #49
simonswords82 wrote: post #14

This is exactly why we created a domain name/ssl reminder tool: http://www.expirify.com . A really easy mistake to make and very costly, I hope they get it back

Easy? Really? I get that you are offering a service, but I can guarantee that if there were something as fundamentally and existentially important as securing my domain name, it would not be an easy thing to forget to do. I can't even begin comprehending how one forgets to do such a thing.

Some people manage dozens, or even hundreds of domains. It's quite common in the "custom website design" world for the company (often a small agency) to manage the hosting of the site and domain.

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Post by marincounty »

nadams wrote: post #24
icebraining wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shouldn't the registrar do that? Namecheap sends me multiple emails when any of my domains is about to expire, it's just common business sense.

1&1 and gandi both offer automatic renewal. In fact I don't think I would use a registrar that didn't offer that. More likely what happened was that the guy who was incharge disappeared and/or his credit card number changed. And when the registrar tried to renew - it couldn't and I'm sure sent tons of emails of "HEY YOU NEED TO FIX THIS". Something similar almost happened to CentOS.

Most of them offer automatic renewals--they love customers that click automatic renewals. Godaddy literally changes your setting to automatic renewal.(This would be a good class action lawsuit--for such a classy company?)

The problem with automatic renewals is its fine if you just have one domain. If you have a lot of domains it makes financial sense to shop around? I've always gone with the cheapest registrar(that I feel will be around in a year, or two), and never had a problem. Personally, I heard a long time ago the true cost of registering a domain is around $7.49. I don't know if that's correct? I don't like to pay much more than that per year--just on principal.

Since, people are throwing around companies, Google domains are $10 bucks a year/with free privacy. (At least they were a few months ago?) Godaddy did away with renewal discount codes; I see no reason to use that company anymore?

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Post by kragen »

belorn wrote: post #52
dspillett wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excellent plan. Now we only need to worry about the small matters designing an alternative system that acheives what the domain name system does without those draw-backs, and convincing people to use the new system...

There is one, and its called search. People are getting used to ask the search engine on their phones and tablets for finding websites, so the big engineer problem is remaking the service into private instances which isn't controlled by google or apple.

It's true that people find things by googling them, and so it usually doesn't really matter if a hostname is www.gimp.org or eqt5g4fuenphqinx.onion, while it does really matter that the search link via www.gimp.org can break suddenly for no good reason. It also matters that the pages at eqt5g4fuenphqinx.onion are dependent on a server operator.

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Post by morganvachon »

roflchoppa wrote: post #34

URL poaching is messed up. don't be a jerk.

As others have said, I don't think it was poached, more likely it's in the 30 day grace period for a missed renewal. Hopefully they'll get it sorted soon.

And yes, domain poaching is very douche-y, and is basically extortion.

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Post by larrys »

delinka wrote: post #50
Grue3 wrote: post #47

Can the headline be changed to reflect the fact that it expired and wasn't "poached"?

Seconded, since the registrar has to provide a grace period, but can still redirect the expired domain to any place they like.

Edit: Not any place you want actually...

Per ICANN if domain is made innactive the page that it points to if it points to a page (it doesn't have to you can just put the name on hold) needs to describe how to get the domain back. Once again that's only if a page is displayed displaying a page is not required.

https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/errp-2013-02-28-en

"2.2.4. In interrupting the DNS resolution path of the registration, if the registrar directs web traffic to the domain name to a web page while the registration is still renewable by the RAE, that web page must conspicuously indicate that the domain name registration is expired and provide renewal instructions."

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Post by TeMPOraL »

kragen wrote: post #58
TeMPOraL wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No matter what system you will come up with, it will always be vulnerable to the actors trying to game the system. Like with many other cases, I think we're making the same mistake airport security does - focusing on last year's threats. We need to put more effort into winding ways to punish assholes (the technical term would be "defectors").

You don't have to be an asshole to forget to renew your domain name, which is probably what happened here. Or to die without heirs who care. Or to not properly maintain your RAID, which is apparently what happened at SourceFarce. Are you suggesting we should be punishing ICANN and EMC? Probably the only practical way to "punish" them is to build a system that decentralizes the control out of their hands.

I wasn't thinking about this type of problems. I was thinking about domain squatting, poaching and various ways people try to make money off people's honest mistakes.

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Post by larrys »

belorn wrote: post #52
dspillett wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excellent plan. Now we only need to worry about the small matters designing an alternative system that acheives what the domain name system does without those draw-backs, and convincing people to use the new system...

There is one, and its called search. People are getting used to ask the search engine on their phones and tablets for finding websites, so the big engineer problem is remaking the service into private instances which isn't controlled by google or apple.

So on your business card instead of putting your name@domain you can just put "Hey! To find me just google 'my name at my long company name'" and people will end up in the right website, right? And what about email?

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Post by donkeyd »

belorn wrote: post #52
dspillett wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excellent plan. Now we only need to worry about the small matters designing an alternative system that acheives what the domain name system does without those draw-backs, and convincing people to use the new system...

There is one, and its called search. People are getting used to ask the search engine on their phones and tablets for finding websites, so the big engineer problem is remaking the service into private instances which isn't controlled by google or apple.

Seems insanely sensitive to fraud and pretty much impossible to implement, in a usable way, on the same scale as current DNS.

Re: The gimp.org domain has expired

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Post by steve-howard »

icebraining wrote: post #22
simonswords82 wrote: post #14

This is exactly why we created a domain name/ssl reminder tool: http://www.expirify.com . A really easy mistake to make and very costly, I hope they get it back

Shouldn't the registrar do that? Namecheap sends me multiple emails when any of my domains is about to expire, it's just common business sense.

This is actually mandatory for gTLDs:

https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/errp-2013-02-28-en

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