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Reddit: A Nine-Year Case Study in Absentee Management

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Re: Reddit: A Nine-Year Case Study in Absentee Management

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Post by bcostlow »

mahouse wrote: post #6
impostervt wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to Reddit's user agreement, you own content you submit, but you give Reddit a "do whatever you want with it, even to make money off of it" license. https://www.reddit.com/help/useragreement#p_17

Is it me or this is stupid? I mean, this is the digital world, you can make as many copies as you want, so if you give them a licence to whatever they want with it, what are your options after submitting something?

Not sure if you are saying it's stupid on Reddit's part, or the users'. For Reddit it's smart.

Licensing doesn't just mean making an exact copy.

Let's say Reddit was the one that packaged up a story posted on /r/nosleep/ and sold film rights—the user who posted that stuff would have an uphill battle to get anything from Reddit's profits on the arrangement.

But, as a user, you can still make your own deals (you still own and can license the content yourself to others), and you probably can only make that deal because of Reddit exposure.

Re: Reddit: A Nine-Year Case Study in Absentee Management

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Post by Grue3 »

A well-managed site wouldn't grow on the Internet. Look at Tumblr, Reddit, 4chan, they became some of the biggest communities on the internet precisely because they were "everything goes", whereas Something Awful or Metafilter fell into obscurity (and SA became big in the first place when it was less restrictive). The less you "manage", the more likely your site will end up in Alexa top 100.

Re: Reddit: A Nine-Year Case Study in Absentee Management

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Post by nadams »

mahouse wrote: post #6
impostervt wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to Reddit's user agreement, you own content you submit, but you give Reddit a "do whatever you want with it, even to make money off of it" license. https://www.reddit.com/help/useragreement#p_17

Is it me or this is stupid? I mean, this is the digital world, you can make as many copies as you want, so if you give them a licence to whatever they want with it, what are your options after submitting something?

You could stamp everyone of your posts with a CC-NC license. Since the content is yours - I don't think they can magically wave the CC-NC license on the basis that you uploaded it to their site.

Re: Reddit: A Nine-Year Case Study in Absentee Management

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Post by flanbiscuit »

Grue3 wrote: post #12

A well-managed site wouldn't grow on the Internet. Look at Tumblr, Reddit, 4chan, they became some of the biggest communities on the internet precisely because they were "everything goes", whereas Something Awful or Metafilter fell into obscurity (and SA became big in the first place when it was less restrictive). The less you "manage", the more likely your site will end up in Alexa top 100.

What happened to Something Awful? My friend was really into that site and tried to get me to join but I ended up gravitating towards Reddit in the end(around 2010/11)

Re: Reddit: A Nine-Year Case Study in Absentee Management

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Post by seiji »

Grue3 wrote: post #12

A well-managed site wouldn't grow on the Internet. Look at Tumblr, Reddit, 4chan, they became some of the biggest communities on the internet precisely because they were "everything goes", whereas Something Awful or Metafilter fell into obscurity (and SA became big in the first place when it was less restrictive). The less you "manage", the more likely your site will end up in Alexa top 100.

almost like you need to do things Without Their Permission

Re: Reddit: A Nine-Year Case Study in Absentee Management

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Post by moron4hire »

Fede_V wrote: post #2

Very interesting article. There was a data viz (gender vs visits) that was needlessly flashy, when a simple x-y scatter would have been more clear. One part struck me though: Erwin sees evidence of it already, pointing to the recent debut of Upvoted, a Reddit podcast delving into the site’s most compelling stories. “Reddit is very much trying to establish itself as a curator of its own content and take back some of t…

I find it really hard to believe that Reddit's users aren't like the rest of the internet. Only 1% of users on a site create content, followed by 9% "participating" on top of that newly created content, followed by 90% just lurking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_(Internet_culture)

Even if it's not that exact breakdown, I'd be extremely surprised if the lurking users didn't dwarf the active users, and the just-commenting users didn't dwarf the actual creators. The "content" on Reddit isn't made by its users, either. Redditors are just collectors, no less than any Tumblr, Facebook, Twitter, or G+ users. No less than BuzzFeed or BusinessInsider.

Re: Reddit: A Nine-Year Case Study in Absentee Management

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Post by seiji »

impostervt wrote: post #4
Fede_V wrote: post #2

Very interesting article. There was a data viz (gender vs visits) that was needlessly flashy, when a simple x-y scatter would have been more clear. One part struck me though: Erwin sees evidence of it already, pointing to the recent debut of Upvoted, a Reddit podcast delving into the site’s most compelling stories. “Reddit is very much trying to establish itself as a curator of its own content and take back some of t…

According to Reddit's user agreement, you own content you submit, but you give Reddit a "do whatever you want with it, even to make money off of it" license. https://www.reddit.com/help/useragreement#p_17

At the beginning of online video, YouTube started with the same "we can resell your videos and do whatever we want without asking you" clause. Vimeo didn't have that. A lot of content producers would only upload to Vimeo (vimeo also had full HD support years before YouTube). Over time, people realized they can't beat the reach/speed/search/recommendations of YouTube, so now everybody gives in and lets GooTube just do whatever they want with the content in exchange for better and more-consistent-across-platforms exposure.

Re: Reddit: A Nine-Year Case Study in Absentee Management

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Post by moron4hire »

fulafel wrote: post #10
rndn wrote: post #3

Reddit is pretty much a case study of upbringing without effective punishment. In real life kids behave because they have skin in the game—if they misbehave, they are not allowed ice cream. On the contrary, if you are banned from reddit, you can simply reset your browser and create a new account. I doubt you can fix reddit with a smarter design, because that won’t change the troublemakers. To fix reddit, you would po…

Upbrining without punishment definitely is definitely possible and practiced semi widely (google around). Punishment is a pretty bad way to address misbehaviour.

However, it is more effective at discouraging behavior than negative reinforcement.

Re: Reddit: A Nine-Year Case Study in Absentee Management

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Post by boldpanda »

As a Reddit user and advertiser, I was disappointed when they doubled their ad CPM's in June without notice to advertisers (as mentioned in the article).

I can understand incrementally increasing the price with demand, but doubling the cost of CPM's without notice is a big fuck you to advertisers.

Now they're more expensive than Facebook and with less targeting capability and you can't change or edit your ads once their live.

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