New Trans-Pacific Partnership Leak Means ‘Significant Overhaul’ for Canadian Law
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New Trans-Pacific Partnership Leak Means ‘Significant Overhaul’ for Canadian Law
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#3When will these idiots learn that DRM doesn't work? How hard will it be for pirates to remove these controls? Assuming a software hack is hard, the option still exists for re-encoding the audio based on capturing the source data in its audio form (whether analog line out or digital line out).
DRM encourages piracy. It means that the DRM-free pirated version has extra value, and punishes those who do not want to break the law.
Hopefully the Canadian government can talk some sense into the other TPP members.
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#4> songs purchased through Apple’s iTunes music store—which restricts playback to a handful of computers
This is not true. If you download songs through Apple Music, then they are protected m4p, but if you purchase music, the files are unprotected m4a and play in other software like Traktor or in CDJ's without any problem.
Re: New Trans-Pacific Partnership Leak Means ‘Significant Overhaul’ for Canadian Law
#5When will these idiots learn that DRM doesn't work? How hard will it be for pirates to remove these controls? Assuming a software hack is hard, the option still exists for re-encoding the audio based on capturing the source data in its audio form (whether analog line out or digital line out). DRM encourages piracy. It means that the DRM-free pirated version has extra value, and punishes those who do not want to break…
I think you are underestimating these folks. They are making it a criminal offence to remove Digital restrictions. It is their way of acknowledging that removal of DRM may always be possible (though looking at Apple's track record I think this assertion is questionable). Possibilities aside if you have the potential to spend a year in jail for jailbreaking your own hardware then that's a pretty big disincentive for many folks.
Re: New Trans-Pacific Partnership Leak Means ‘Significant Overhaul’ for Canadian Law
#6When will these idiots learn that DRM doesn't work? How hard will it be for pirates to remove these controls? Assuming a software hack is hard, the option still exists for re-encoding the audio based on capturing the source data in its audio form (whether analog line out or digital line out). DRM encourages piracy. It means that the DRM-free pirated version has extra value, and punishes those who do not want to break…
I think you are underestimating these folks. They are making it a criminal offence to remove Digital restrictions. It is their way of acknowledging that removal of DRM may always be possible (though looking at Apple's track record I think this assertion is questionable). Possibilities aside if you have the potential to spend a year in jail for jailbreaking your own hardware then that's a pretty big disincentive for m…
Of course, there's always the alternative of listening to music without DRM. There's a lot of good unencumbered music out there, and maybe all these restrictions will help give it a boost. I think the industry message should be as clear as possible: they are selling something dangerous that could land you in jail if you use it with the wrong music player. If they want to spread that message, help them.
Re: New Trans-Pacific Partnership Leak Means ‘Significant Overhaul’ for Canadian Law
#7When will these idiots learn that DRM doesn't work? How hard will it be for pirates to remove these controls? Assuming a software hack is hard, the option still exists for re-encoding the audio based on capturing the source data in its audio form (whether analog line out or digital line out). DRM encourages piracy. It means that the DRM-free pirated version has extra value, and punishes those who do not want to break…
Have you read TPP?
The current leaks specify that selling, buying, owning, using, inventing, planning, modifying, etc of devices, software, or methods that can be used or could be helpful for removal or circumvention of DRM have to be treated as a a crime.
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#8When will these idiots learn that DRM doesn't work? How hard will it be for pirates to remove these controls? Assuming a software hack is hard, the option still exists for re-encoding the audio based on capturing the source data in its audio form (whether analog line out or digital line out). DRM encourages piracy. It means that the DRM-free pirated version has extra value, and punishes those who do not want to break…
Have you read TPP? The current leaks specify that selling, buying, owning, using, inventing, planning, modifying, etc of devices, software, or methods that can be used or could be helpful for removal or circumvention of DRM have to be treated as a a crime.
That's what I don't grasp about this situation. Why can't content industries just accept that the gravy train of yesteryear is over? Just figure out a new business model. They've had well over a decade and a half to throw enough heads at the problem to figure out how to prevent further decline in their revenues. But it just seems they're as stubborn (if not more so) as an ox when it comes to accepting reality.
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you are underestimating these folks. They are making it a criminal offence to remove Digital restrictions. It is their way of acknowledging that removal of DRM may always be possible (though looking at Apple's track record I think this assertion is questionable). Possibilities aside if you have the potential to spend a year in jail for jailbreaking your own hardware then that's a pretty big disincentive for m…
Of course, there's always the alternative of listening to music without DRM. There's a lot of good unencumbered music out there, and maybe all these restrictions will help give it a boost. I think the industry message should be as clear as possible: they are selling something dangerous that could land you in jail if you use it with the wrong music player. If they want to spread that message, help them.
To me that doesn't seem to be the problem. The problem as I see is that hardware manufacturers like Apple, Samsung, and etc will feel obligated to cover their rear ends and force consumers to verify their non-DRM content. So, if you can't verify it then you can't load it on their phones/players. The reason why they would do this sort of thing is to cover themselves in case of liability. If you can't load up non-DRM content then you can't sue said company for aiding piracy under something like TPP.
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#10"Behind closed doors and in secret, Canada will have already agreed to make these changes."
Well they can't have agreed to anything yet, seeing as Parliament is dissolved for the October election. And it's currently a dead heat in the polls between the top three parties (Conservatives, Liberals, New Democrats), so it's really unclear who is going to form the government.