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Leaked Uber financials from 2012 to 2014

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Re: Leaked Uber financials from 2012 to 2014

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So what's the model? Put the taxis out of business and then jack up the fares to what the taxis were? Who's winning, then, exactly? Not the consumer...

It's actually build a better service, give each user subsidized (or free) rides so they get to experience how much better the new service is, then stop handing out free rides like candy.

Re: Leaked Uber financials from 2012 to 2014

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Wait, so Uber spent $900 million dollars? I thought that considering they offload so much of the costs of running of the business( EDIT: through having drivers buy the cars, for example), they wouldn't have such high operating costs. Though according to this[1] article, Uber's at 3000 employees worldwide. What are those employees doing? EDIT: For reference, Greyhound's 2014 operating costs were 600 million pounds (50…

Despite popular belief, apps and communities don't run themselves. Uber is scaling at an ungodly speed, and they're hiring a ton of people to do so. Seriously, look at how many jobs they're hiring for right now: https://www.uber.com/jobs/list (then realize they're doing this in hundreds of cities simultaneously, in addition to the hundreds they're already in). I'm actually blown away that they're losing so little , g…

Another thing to keep in mind is that über would have to pay corporate income tax, to the tune of 30%, on any profits made in the US. It seems like they're doing a good job (or are insanely lucky) at reinvesting their gross income back into their company growth while keeping their burn rate relatively low to the $6.9b in raise capital. (e.g. they've only cut $0.5b into their $7b cash stash).

Re: Leaked Uber financials from 2012 to 2014

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I dont think Uber is going anywhere soon. It has such a strong brand. Everyone I know trusts uber a lot more than there local cab companies.

The competition would likely be smaller competitors chipping away at juicy chunks, like Wingz focusing exclusively on airport rides (and competing with UberX on price) and Blacklane promising higher level of service at cheaper rate than Uber Black.

yep ...if it gets as easy to bootstrap a ride sharing company it is for chat apps with the mobile address book competition might be tough on uber. see also http://continuations.com/post/77698925932/facebook-massively...

Re: Leaked Uber financials from 2012 to 2014

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do wonder what will happen once Uber starts charging market rates. Right now, your ride is subsidized by Uber. Once it comes time to turn on the profits, you'll have to pay more - substantially more in some markets. Will you still use Uber? Probably. But many who started using Uber instead of, say, taking their own car or using public transport, just might go back.

> I do wonder what will happen once Uber starts charging market rates. That's an excellent question and the answer is it wont be cheap. That's why, in countries where Uber operates, a clear legal framework is needed so that Uber doesn't end up with a monopoly. If Uber is allowed to operate somewhere then anybody should be able to do that without the need for an army of lawyers and lobbyists or it's just replacing the…

Private monopolies are largely unproblematic as they will be destroyed by more effective competitors eventually. I'm way more afraid of government monopoly. Point in case: The protectionism and government interference that has kept the taxi business shitty for so long.

Re: Leaked Uber financials from 2012 to 2014

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I dont think Uber is going anywhere soon. It has such a strong brand. Everyone I know trusts uber a lot more than there local cab companies.

Yeah, I just tested myself: can I name any of the prominent taxi companies in Sydney (where I live)? Maybe; is Silver Service the name of one, or is it a type of taxi? I'm not sure, but it's the only one that comes to mind.

Re: Leaked Uber financials from 2012 to 2014

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do wonder what will happen once Uber starts charging market rates. Right now, your ride is subsidized by Uber. Once it comes time to turn on the profits, you'll have to pay more - substantially more in some markets. Will you still use Uber? Probably. But many who started using Uber instead of, say, taking their own car or using public transport, just might go back.

> I do wonder what will happen once Uber starts charging market rates. Right now, your ride is subsidized by Uber. Do you have any evidence of that? I'm 99% sure Uber is profitable on a unit and customer basis.

There is evidence of this all over the press if you want to search for it. Take for instance The 'non-profit' "People's Uber" in China. They guaranteed wages for drivers and capped rates at auto rickshaw prices. This spring in Guangzhou I was taking 20 minute rides and paying around $1.50. It was ridiculous. While they were trying to maintain a foothold in Germany as more than a legal taxi hailing service (which is what they are now, competing with apps like mytaxi) they were limiting prices to legal Mitfahrgelegenheit (private ride share) prices. What was normally a 70€ cab ride between Düsseldorf and Köln cost 12€ (Less than taking the regional train for 1 person though the driver was paid much more of course. This went on for months.

I'm sure they are making money in markets where the existing taxi service was truly dreadful and where they don't have to compete on price and have been able to raise their rates to on par or higher than taxi rates, but they are definitely paying a price for expansion.

Re: Leaked Uber financials from 2012 to 2014

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Wait, so Uber spent $900 million dollars? I thought that considering they offload so much of the costs of running of the business( EDIT: through having drivers buy the cars, for example), they wouldn't have such high operating costs. Though according to this[1] article, Uber's at 3000 employees worldwide. What are those employees doing? EDIT: For reference, Greyhound's 2014 operating costs were 600 million pounds (50…

Uber is active pretty much everywhere. They're truly aiming to corner the entire global transport market. They're putting in $1B in India alone.

When the dust is settled, you're going to get a company that controls the private transport industry in an area that stretches from San Francisco to Kolkata

For an industry that was once dominated by small local players, this is truly mind blowing.

I don't think there is a single startup that is as obsessed with aggressive growth as Uber

Re: Leaked Uber financials from 2012 to 2014

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In theory if they can lower the costs substantially through innovation over the current taxi model they can grow the market out of private car usage. This would mean all parties (except car manufacturers) will benefit.

In transportation business major costs are vehicle depreciation/maintenance/consumables (fuel, insurance, tires, etc), wages and you can include domain specific expenses (insurance, driver health chek-ups). * You can't reduce DS expenses. You can offload them to drivers, but that will still be reflected in prices * You can reduce wage cost by eliminating administrative load by having tools (apps, backends) do the job…

I am not sure how much of an edge one can gain by doing demand prediction through algorithms. In large markets the patterns are fairly trivial (big game ended, everybody goes home; it's 5 pm in financial district, people are leaving work; busy time at the airport, bunch of flights arriving at once) and known to all participants.

Re: Leaked Uber financials from 2012 to 2014

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Wait, so Uber spent $900 million dollars? I thought that considering they offload so much of the costs of running of the business( EDIT: through having drivers buy the cars, for example), they wouldn't have such high operating costs. Though according to this[1] article, Uber's at 3000 employees worldwide. What are those employees doing? EDIT: For reference, Greyhound's 2014 operating costs were 600 million pounds (50…

I haven't seen the data, but I bet a huge percentage of it is subsidized rides. They essentially use free rides as a carrot for users to learn the value of Uber. The great part for Uber is that once they've trained their userbase, that cost largely disappears.

Also to keep drivers more motivated than they'd otherwise be. I'd say that they're trading VC money with drivers in order to have a dominant position by the time the drivers are no longer required.

Re: Leaked Uber financials from 2012 to 2014

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I do wonder what will happen once Uber starts charging market rates. That's an excellent question and the answer is it wont be cheap. That's why, in countries where Uber operates, a clear legal framework is needed so that Uber doesn't end up with a monopoly. If Uber is allowed to operate somewhere then anybody should be able to do that without the need for an army of lawyers and lobbyists or it's just replacing the…

Private monopolies are largely unproblematic as they will be destroyed by more effective competitors eventually. I'm way more afraid of government monopoly. Point in case: The protectionism and government interference that has kept the taxi business shitty for so long.

Private monopolies are in some theoretical circumstances unproblematic because according to extremist free-market ideologues they are destroyed by more effective competitors. In reality they are broken up by governments, regulated into the ground, or destroy a nation/society, and they manage to make a society/market a whole lot worse before this long-term and extreme regulatory action obliterates them and fixes the problem.
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