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Re: Show HN: Designing Web Applications

#91

I like how you put the Facebook, FreshBooks and Mailchimp logos on there in the same style other websites use when saying who uses their product.

Some initial feedback was that people didn't know what I meant by web application. So they asked that I provide examples.

Are you sure these people were in your target audience of designers?

Re: Show HN: Designing Web Applications

#92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some initial feedback was that people didn't know what I meant by web application. So they asked that I provide examples.

Seriously? I mean seriously? You're supposed to be a UX designer. And you honestly can't see how that looks like social proof, that you are visually implying that these companies use your product? I want this book so bad. But your contact form is awful. You can't design the simplest form on the web. You don't actually seem to have any actual experience in designing web apps, working for one unidentified startup. I'm…

Would you mind detailing the reasons why that 'Cancel' button placement is terrible?

Re: Show HN: Designing Web Applications

#93
post #29

The "complete package" gave me sticker shock, so much that I almost closed the page then and there. It was only out of curiosity as to why the $200 price tag was worthwhile that I even kept reading to find more purchase options. It put a bad taste in my mouth, honestly, and I'm left feeling pretty confused by why you won't let me cherry pick my own interview+book package. I'm just having trouble seeing the dollar val…

Thanks for the feedback. I am always trying to improve my content, sites, and marketing. My target market is people who are serious about web applications. In an industry where it isn't hard to charge $100-250 an hour for design or development work, $200 for everything included doesn't seem like a lot. But I understand that for some people (students) that can be a ton of money, so I am also selling the book by itself…

Was your thinking was to put the higher priced package first to make the reader feel like the less expensive packages later one are a better deal? It's an interesting idea and I'm glad you're doing the experiment. I wouldn't let the comments here dissuade you too strongly from attempting this.

However, you absolutely need final "Buy the book" button at the bottom of the page. And ditch the question at the bottom of the page - "Are you ready to buy?" is far less effective than a simple call to action - for example, a "Buy Now" button. :)

Re: Show HN: Designing Web Applications

#94

Please remove the Facebook, Mailchimp etc logos. It really leaves a bad taste - it's a practice to show those on a landing when either the companies whose logo are featured, are using this product/service or have said something positive about it. But after reading the line below it, it's just a mis-direction, felt almost cheated. I'd highly recommend removing it.

FWIW I didn't get that impression at all, and did not feel mislead by these icons.

Re: Show HN: Designing Web Applications

#95
post #18
post #4

Another thought: That's a really long sales page. Have you found people respond well to that? It's well designed, but wow is it long...

It's actually true that people respond better to longer sales pages. It's been an internet marketing staple for years.

Citation?

Re: Show HN: Designing Web Applications

#96
post #59

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On-demand printing may be a good option for you: http://www.lulu.com/

That would be very expensive. Looks like at least $30 per copy.

>That would be very expensive. Looks like at least $30 per copy.

How do you reconcile this with your previous comment[1] in this thread:

My target market is people who are serious about web applications. In an industry where it isn't hard to charge $100-250 an hour for design or development work, $200 for everything included doesn't seem like a lot.

[1] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4910124

Re: Show HN: Designing Web Applications

#97

Please remove the Facebook, Mailchimp etc logos. It really leaves a bad taste - it's a practice to show those on a landing when either the companies whose logo are featured, are using this product/service or have said something positive about it. But after reading the line below it, it's just a mis-direction, felt almost cheated. I'd highly recommend removing it.

Agree, at first I thought Nathan had accomplished something for these companies. I thought it odd that he didn't make a bigger deal about his work for them. It was a shot to his credibility that I found he has never been involved in projects for these teams, or if he has, it's not discoverable.

Re: Show HN: Designing Web Applications

#98

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I don't know if you actually liked this or not, but I did. It displayed a deep knowledge of how to manipulate design elements to implant an idea in a user's head. There's nothing dishonest about it, it's just a design element.

Actually, I found it dishonest. It's the equivalent of small print to me. I'll do a walk through of my initial reaction when I saw those logos. 1) Oh! Those companies have purchased this before to make their sites better! If they stand behind the product then maybe I should look into buying it. 2) Hmm...they didn't purchase it. Maybe the creator of this product was part of the design team for those websites and he kn…

That's an extremely narrow view of "dishonest" if "dishonest" means "made me make an assumption that it itself clears up in English plain text in plain view".

Re: Show HN: Designing Web Applications

#99
post #29

The "complete package" gave me sticker shock, so much that I almost closed the page then and there. It was only out of curiosity as to why the $200 price tag was worthwhile that I even kept reading to find more purchase options. It put a bad taste in my mouth, honestly, and I'm left feeling pretty confused by why you won't let me cherry pick my own interview+book package. I'm just having trouble seeing the dollar val…

Thanks for the feedback. I am always trying to improve my content, sites, and marketing. My target market is people who are serious about web applications. In an industry where it isn't hard to charge $100-250 an hour for design or development work, $200 for everything included doesn't seem like a lot. But I understand that for some people (students) that can be a ton of money, so I am also selling the book by itself…

For the record, my company would pay for this resource if I asked, and I don't see what's offered as being all together valuable to a professional who charges I'm just not convinced the asking price is justified. I'd be tempted to pay $80 for the book, all seven interviews, and the case study+bonus content. And, since I've touched on it, I'm kind've taken aback that 4 sections of the book were cut and added as an up sell; that just doesn't sit well with me. But even at $80, I'd expect a lot more quality in the interviews than I'd seen before; being unable to see some shorts, and basing my experience only on the freeview through the newsletter, I still wouldn't buy.

I hope, for the sake of the energy you've spent on this project, that I'm totally alien in the way I feel about your product. I hate to be disheartening or seem like I'm just playing devil's advocate to the positive reception you've had so far, that really isn't my intention.

Just to touch on your comment of "standard ebook prices" -- $30 is pretty standard. But when I pay that, I'm usually buying Manning or O'Reilly; getting early(beta) access and post-launch updates/errata. Also, I'm usually being written to by a community leader. I'm not trying to shoot down your integrity, but the people who write $30 ebooks tend to have significantly more provenance than yourself.

Wishing you success, thanks for the reply.

Re: Show HN: Designing Web Applications

#100
post #41

I edited your site to solve the issues and uploaded to imgur. (The matrix is from CrazyEgg, but take the idea). http://imgur.com/slYOb Here is my walkthrough of the site: 1. Great, exactly what I am looking for: book on designing web applications. 2. Oooh look, Facebook, Freshbooks, and MailChimp use this, wait, no they do not. This is graphically implied by their logos and using an established user experience locati…

Agreed 100%.

I'd mentioned something similar to #4 in a previous post about this project. With all due respect to Nathan's efforts and marketing throughout this process, I thought he was a developer trying to teach design rather than a designer, considering the layout of the page and the preview screenshot (doesn't look like an actual app, poor typography). And this might just be me, but I'm wary about a WordPress template for a simple one page site when we're talking about web development.

Taking screenshots of your [subjectively] favorite experiences and writing about why you think it's good UX (when there are more qualified resources for this), coupled with teaching people how to do some basic Photoshop [instead of actual code?] when we have endless resources for such isn't worth $200 for me, the assumed target market. Do you go over why you you the beveled aesthetic works, or do you just think it's cool? Because that's how I'm reading most of this PDF preview; that's just like, your opinion man.

As such, there should be tiers based on what I want out of this; the design, the UX or the interviews. Even then, ~$65 for interviews from people that write about their experiences on their own - for free - doesn't sell me. Sorry :/

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