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Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web

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post #55

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the video is right above the join button.

There is a youtube link with a thumbnail of a bear and some fire and lasers or something, I assumed it was decorative because most of the visual aspects of the site are. Upon further investigation you can try the tool right on the page, I just didn't know this because there was no CTA for it, as there was no "See it in action!" CTA over the video. Startupers pitching your project to users: make it as simple as possib…

thanks for the feedback. I drew an arrow to the video and changed the copy on the button.

Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web

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Blame the move toward blogging systems that separated content from presentation. Blame advertising which has to be front-and-center at all times. I wonder how advertising would work on the web if you didn't have omni-present ads but instead sometimes the viewport contained no ads, sometimes it contains big huge ads that take up the entire viewport (like a full-page ad in a magazine). Would that make up for them not b…

Your idea sounds similar to some websites that show a full page banner with an x in the corner before visiting a certain page.

Interesting thought. Never thought about it this way (and working in an environment, where it might fit).

Not trying to defend the practice of ads like they are today, but thinking twice brings one thought to my head:

Why recreate the style of an old medium in a new one. When the printing press was developed - for the first decades books just looked like before. looked like they were handwritten by scribes. Gradually books evolved into something more of their own.

So why build digital copies of magazine-layout? I really do not have a better solution - I am merely asking the question, that keeps bugging me all the time, when I think about the evolution of the web.

Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web

#83
post #69

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I didn't even make it that far. [EDIT:Although, wanting to comment, I did go back and read the whole thing.] "make them scroll" ... um, no. The increasing number of pages that are requiring vertical scroll to be useful loses the great usability/accessibility of the "above the fold" method of pages. Even with the improvements in scrolling over the past decade (scroll wheel mice and scrolling gestures), it's still a ch…

I thought that view was discredited some time ago. First result in Google for "people like to scroll": http://uxmyths.com/post/654047943/myth-people-dont-scroll

That's nice. I don't like to scroll. Surely there's someone else in the world like me.

From the article you linked: "[P]eople used the scrollbar on 76% of the pages, with 22% being scrolled all the way to the bottom

That's a low enough conversion rate for certain page types that it may not always be worth the effort. If I want something, I'm happy to scroll, but if I'm browsing, there had better be a good value proposition in doing so.

  "Another eye-tracking study conducted by CX Partners 
   confirms that people do scroll if certain design 
   guidelines are followed"
... So, the article says (several times) people scroll, but only under certain design conditions. Is a long form article worth scrolling for? Usually; it's better than ad-ridden pagination, I think we'll both agree. Where the OP went wrong, I think, was that the scrolling was a design gimmick, not a content opportunity. It came across, to me, like the purpose of scrolling was to be "artsy" and "design-minded", rather than to convey content. Perhaps what I'm attributing to the scrolling design was really a lack of editing for length.

Jakob Neilsen (who was mentioned in the article you linked) also comments on why scrolling might be less of a good idea [1]:

   "scrolling ... can be difficult for users with motor skill impairments."
   "Low-literacy users can't easily reacquire their position in the text
    after it moves.
   "Elderly users often have trouble getting to the right spot in scrolling
    menus and other small scrolling items.
Not everything you read on the Internet is wholly true.

1: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20050711.html

Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web

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post #75

The ethos here reminds me a lot of the edgier elements of the Web design community in the 1997-2002 period. For some reason, a lot of it died out after that, but there was a real enthusiasm to do some magical stuff and large collectives like the Swank Army were putting out amazing and experimental work (often leaning on early CSS and gigantic nests of tables). I'd love to see that culture come back to the Web in a bi…

Anyone remember dreamless? This reminds me of the meaningless css wars. In a good way.

Was that the discussion site where they didn't sanitize embedded CSS..? So when you loaded the page, it kept changing style because every commenter had overridden styles?

Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web

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post #83

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I thought that view was discredited some time ago. First result in Google for "people like to scroll": http://uxmyths.com/post/654047943/myth-people-dont-scroll

That's nice. I don't like to scroll. Surely there's someone else in the world like me. From the article you linked: "[P]eople used the scrollbar on 76% of the pages, with 22% being scrolled all the way to the bottom That's a low enough conversion rate for certain page types that it may not always be worth the effort. If I want something, I'm happy to scroll, but if I'm browsing, there had better be a good value propo…

>That's nice. I don't like to scroll. Surely there's someone else in the world like me.

Hmm. You might want to check the notions of:

1) opportunity cost 2) outlier

Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web

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post #77

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A large part of the value of the web is in creating _structured_ data. I would be amenable to a proposition that gave people more creative tools for publishing on those terms, but I think you're missing the point of the medium.

I believe, that this is the view of a lot of persons/companies, that make money of the web. And I have to disagree, because of my experience with a lot of "not so savvy"-users. For them, they like good information (or entertainment) and they really like the personal touch to things. If the information is interesting, they like to know more about the individual behind these pages. and a lot of these people like the ha…

I didn't mean to imply that anyone has made the activity of creating structured data sufficiently interesting or worthwhile for "not so savvy" users, but that this project doesn't seem to advance to cause.

A lot of people and companies do make money on this, but I see the creation of rich structured data as good for everyone. We can better learn from and engage with well structured collective knowledge.

Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web

#87
post #77

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You're able to build a completely unique site from a blank page in scroll kit. You are given a text form in other publishing platforms. Those are pretty different terms.

A large part of the value of the web is in creating _structured_ data. I would be amenable to a proposition that gave people more creative tools for publishing on those terms, but I think you're missing the point of the medium.

structured data is actually something i'm really into. what sort of metadata or tags do you think might be useful to add in automatically? i don't want to make the user do any more work than necessary.
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