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Re: Show HN: AI Tool Is Now Supporting React, Angular, CSS, Svelte, Vue

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Post by haliskerbas »

bongodongobob wrote: post #43
rcconf wrote: post #36

Should we as developers put more effort into defending our craft? The movements in the artistic space with AI were very widespread and vocal, but we developers seem not to care. I feel like developers in general are a bit more quiet and timid with things and it leads to companies or entire industries taking advantage of us. Am I the only one who feels like developers really need to be a bit more vocal in defending th…

If AI is building better software why stop it? If it's not, what's the threat? What's to defend? Our right to build worse software? Prevent people from using tools as they see fit? What's course of action would you take?

Losing my sweet, sweet TC is the threat.

Re: Show HN: AI Tool Is Now Supporting React, Angular, CSS, Svelte, Vue

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Post by colechristensen »

rcconf wrote: post #36

Should we as developers put more effort into defending our craft? The movements in the artistic space with AI were very widespread and vocal, but we developers seem not to care. I feel like developers in general are a bit more quiet and timid with things and it leads to companies or entire industries taking advantage of us. Am I the only one who feels like developers really need to be a bit more vocal in defending th…

>Should we as developers put more effort into defending our craft?

No.

Nobody worried about optimizing compliers taking the jobs of assembly programmers.

Tools make us able to do _more_ not less. This is just one more. And it happens to be pretty good at doing obvious boring things that have been done a million times which most of us don't want to do anyway.

Like recently I needed to design a nice html error page, I don't have a designer to go to, and it wasn't really a big enough deal for that kind of thing anyway. Instead of having to dust off a bunch of web design skills and spend a long time figuring out fiddly little style sheet things... or just doing a terrible job... I asked AI to do it. 90% of the work was done in 10 seconds, then I spent 5 minutes polishing it. If I did it myself it would either have been a couple of hours to get something as nice or for the same 5 minutes I could have done a shit job. Nobody lost work because of AI that day, I was just able to do more important things than make an internal developer-facing error page look nice.

Re: Show HN: AI Tool Is Now Supporting React, Angular, CSS, Svelte, Vue

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Post by Retr0id »

rcconf wrote: post #36

Should we as developers put more effort into defending our craft? The movements in the artistic space with AI were very widespread and vocal, but we developers seem not to care. I feel like developers in general are a bit more quiet and timid with things and it leads to companies or entire industries taking advantage of us. Am I the only one who feels like developers really need to be a bit more vocal in defending th…

I think developers just don't feel threatened by it, not yet at least. For software it's more of a "rising tide that lifts all boats".

I've yet to personally benefit from AI in any of my workflows, in any meaningful capacity, but I wouldn't complain if that changed.

Re: Show HN: AI Tool Is Now Supporting React, Angular, CSS, Svelte, Vue

#54

Post by colechristensen »

petabyt wrote: post #48
rcconf wrote: post #36

Should we as developers put more effort into defending our craft? The movements in the artistic space with AI were very widespread and vocal, but we developers seem not to care. I feel like developers in general are a bit more quiet and timid with things and it leads to companies or entire industries taking advantage of us. Am I the only one who feels like developers really need to be a bit more vocal in defending th…

Code doesn't really have the same 'human touch' the way art does. We've spent the past 20 years making libraries, higher level languages, UI frameworks, etc to make development faster. If there's any 'human touch' it's a lot higher level than just the lines of code. Art has mostly been the same for a very long time. Especially painting/drawing. For most people it's a passion and creative outlet. From what I've seen (…

Art and technology used to be... the same. Almost nobody really wants the artistry that comes with well crafted code these days though. It's mostly just about being done.

Re: Show HN: AI Tool Is Now Supporting React, Angular, CSS, Svelte, Vue

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Post by ggregoire »

skapadia wrote: post #25

I'm not having much success with this beyond very basic components. I think I'd have more success iteratively working with ChatGPT or Claude directly, and then pasting the code into jsfiddle, pastebin, or replit to see the results and iterate.

In this case is it not faster to just code the component yourself?

Re: Show HN: AI Tool Is Now Supporting React, Angular, CSS, Svelte, Vue

#56

Post by throw-the-towel »

colechristensen wrote: post #54
petabyt wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Code doesn't really have the same 'human touch' the way art does. We've spent the past 20 years making libraries, higher level languages, UI frameworks, etc to make development faster. If there's any 'human touch' it's a lot higher level than just the lines of code. Art has mostly been the same for a very long time. Especially painting/drawing. For most people it's a passion and creative outlet. From what I've seen (…

Art and technology used to be... the same. Almost nobody really wants the artistry that comes with well crafted code these days though. It's mostly just about being done.

And that applies to more that just code. Buildings, tools, cutlery, furniture, whatever -- everything used to have way more craftsmanship.

Re: Show HN: AI Tool Is Now Supporting React, Angular, CSS, Svelte, Vue

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Post by algem »

t0mas88 wrote: post #37
algem wrote: post #33

I can’t stand these “tools”. And I find it morally wrong trying to automate every little thing a developer does.

Consider it an improved version of auto complete in your IDE. It helps type pieces of code faster, it doesn't do any of the thinking involved in building a software product.

It isn’t an improved version of autocomplete though, it allows you to submit a design / image and output code. Narrowing the gap between designer and developer.

Re: Show HN: AI Tool Is Now Supporting React, Angular, CSS, Svelte, Vue

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Post by rkuodys »

willsmith72 wrote: post #41
rcconf wrote: post #36

Should we as developers put more effort into defending our craft? The movements in the artistic space with AI were very widespread and vocal, but we developers seem not to care. I feel like developers in general are a bit more quiet and timid with things and it leads to companies or entire industries taking advantage of us. Am I the only one who feels like developers really need to be a bit more vocal in defending th…

Depends on your motive. I enjoy the "art" of programming, but I enjoy even more using it to build cool stuff, make companies happy, start side projects or even businesses. I've not seen any indication an AI legitimately replacing software engineering, rather enhancing it perhaps resulting in the need for fewer engineers for the same work. Even as an engineer that's a huge win. The role is less coding, more engineerin…

Totally in the same camp. How I see AI improvement- is that if you needed couple developers to launch something, now you can do it yourself. Meaning the cost of launch is lower and that I think should be appreciated not fighted against.

If developer is actually solving the problems, it's like giving a tractor to dig a hole in addition to shovel

Re: Show HN: AI Tool Is Now Supporting React, Angular, CSS, Svelte, Vue

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Post by goatlover »

soco wrote: post #26
matsemann wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a bit afraid that LLMs will make it harder for new frameworks and tools, as they have far fewer examples to learn from. And if that will make it so that the established frameworks remain status quo.

Food for thought: let's say AI (some day) delivers a working application, will it still matter which framework it is written? AI writes it, we complain about a problem, AI fixes it, we programmers are out of jobs (at least web application programmers) and the users get updates and finally working applications. I know we are not there yet, but at that imaginary later point, I think frameworks will be a thing of the pa…

Who is instructing the AI to make an application, fix bugs and issue updates? Is the customer doing all this or the manager taking time out of their day? Are either of those really fit to figure out whether the app actually meets what the customer needs?

Seems like the software engineering role is still needed at the higher level, and that would still likely require some sort of framework to help make sense of what the AI is generating, so you can instruct it accordingly.

Re: Show HN: AI Tool Is Now Supporting React, Angular, CSS, Svelte, Vue

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Post by llama_drama »

rcconf wrote: post #36

Should we as developers put more effort into defending our craft? The movements in the artistic space with AI were very widespread and vocal, but we developers seem not to care. I feel like developers in general are a bit more quiet and timid with things and it leads to companies or entire industries taking advantage of us. Am I the only one who feels like developers really need to be a bit more vocal in defending th…

The best defense is to keep improving as programmers. By constantly refining our skills and learning new technologies we maintain our relevanse and value. AI and automation are tools that can enhance our work, not replace it.
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