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Re: Show HN: Graphite – Stacked Diffs on GitHub

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Post by Xiulung »

DandyDev wrote: post #44

Honest question: how did you folks determine your pricing? I totally get that what Graphite offers is valuable and can improve developer productivity. But from where I'm standing, the pricing is disproportionate to the value add. Github Enterprise - while of course not 1-to-1 comparable - offers so much more functionality for 2/3ds of the cost of Graphite. I'd expect Graphite to cost _less_ than Github Enterprise as…

This is a question we spent a lot of time considering because we want to be sensitive about costs and accessibility for all engineers.

So firstly, we have and will continue to have a free tier where anyone can use Graphite for free and get the benefits of the stacking workflow.

Secondly, we have a lot of companies like Ramp who have seen a real gain in productivity from their team and think that the features and benefits of the Graphite Team tier is worth paying for (you can see our customers and case studies on our website).

Lastly and most pragmatically, we need to ensure we have a sustainable business model because we ultimately want to continue bringing word-class devtool features to all of our users.

We encourage you to sign up and try it out. Hopefully you’ll find that the productivity gain is worth the $1 a day. If not, that’s cool too, hopefully we can continue building and improving our product offering so that you check us out again in the future and change your mind.

- Xiulung (Design @ Graphite)

Re: Show HN: Graphite – Stacked Diffs on GitHub

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Post by gugagore »

baq wrote: post #41

I’ve tried using git brancheless, git spr and stacked git, but they aren’t sticking in my brain. Does this have a better chance for this interactive rebase and squashed merge user?

The main thing I found to be an improvement is that Graphite maintains all the stacking metadata in git refs. With the other tools, I did not know how to develop a stack across multiple development machines.

I would be happy for someone to prove me wrong and show how, e.g. `git branchless` lets you work on a stack from multiple machines.

Re: Show HN: Graphite – Stacked Diffs on GitHub

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Post by carlgao »

Stacking code changes has been such a game changer that I wouldn't even consider working at a company where this developer workflow doesn't exist. Code reviewing without Graphite is like code reviewing with a typewriter instead of a computer.

If you want to 1. multiply developer velocity 2. attract the best technical talent, use Graphite.

Re: Show HN: Graphite – Stacked Diffs on GitHub

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Post by DandyDev »

thecarissa wrote: post #49
DandyDev wrote: post #44

Honest question: how did you folks determine your pricing? I totally get that what Graphite offers is valuable and can improve developer productivity. But from where I'm standing, the pricing is disproportionate to the value add. Github Enterprise - while of course not 1-to-1 comparable - offers so much more functionality for 2/3ds of the cost of Graphite. I'd expect Graphite to cost _less_ than Github Enterprise as…

Thanks for the question! We don't typically compare our pricing to GHE but rather to other similar SaaS tools (check out some merge queue providers - which is just one feature of Graphite). GHE has a very different business model - they keep the per seat price low to charge for compute in CI/CD or upsells into Microsoft Azure. As another counterexample, Superhuman is $30/user/mo for an "add-on" to Gmail (a free produ…

Here's the thing: I think it's a bad idea to try it out, because I can already see in the pricing tiers that if I would like Graphite, I cannot afford it for my team because of the pricing structure.

I work for a startup that is less than 3 years old and has ~90 employees of which ~50 are software engineers and data scientists (people writing code). We're VC funded and not profitable yet. When I see a pricing tier called "Enterprise", I do not expect to fall under that tier as a small, young company. But looking at the limits of the Team tier, we would probably not fit under that tier because we have more than 30 repositories. We also use Github Enterprise (cloud version), which puts us in your Enterprise tier as well.

If the Team tier is already $30/user/month, I'm afraid to even learn what the Enterprise tier is like. I guess we're not your target audience and that is okay.

Here is when I would consider paying for your product: remove the repo limit (or make it much bigger) and half the price. That would make it affordable and more in line with the other tools we're paying for.

Re: Show HN: Graphite – Stacked Diffs on GitHub

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Post by thecarissa »

DandyDev wrote: post #54
thecarissa wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the question! We don't typically compare our pricing to GHE but rather to other similar SaaS tools (check out some merge queue providers - which is just one feature of Graphite). GHE has a very different business model - they keep the per seat price low to charge for compute in CI/CD or upsells into Microsoft Azure. As another counterexample, Superhuman is $30/user/mo for an "add-on" to Gmail (a free produ…

Here's the thing: I think it's a bad idea to try it out, because I can already see in the pricing tiers that if I would like Graphite, I cannot afford it for my team because of the pricing structure. I work for a startup that is less than 3 years old and has ~90 employees of which ~50 are software engineers and data scientists (people writing code). We're VC funded and not profitable yet. When I see a pricing tier ca…

Hi there, thanks for the question! One quick clarification - the 30 repository limit is per user (not per org), so I expect you would still fall under the Team tier. I'd encourage you to try Graphite out for free - many companies have already found tons of value out of Graphite and are paying for us now. Also - we have a little promo code for users from Hacker News - try out HN15 :)

Re: Show HN: Graphite – Stacked Diffs on GitHub

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Post by thecarissa »

xavhan wrote: post #35

Ive been using it since mote than a year and it has become part of my toolbelt. Especially the cli that allow to seemlessly rebase multiple branches at the same time. Powerful tool, and nice community

Glad to hear that! Thanks for being a part of the community :)

Re: Show HN: Graphite – Stacked Diffs on GitHub

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Post by DandyDev »

thecarissa wrote: post #55
DandyDev wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the thing: I think it's a bad idea to try it out, because I can already see in the pricing tiers that if I would like Graphite, I cannot afford it for my team because of the pricing structure. I work for a startup that is less than 3 years old and has ~90 employees of which ~50 are software engineers and data scientists (people writing code). We're VC funded and not profitable yet. When I see a pricing tier ca…

Hi there, thanks for the question! One quick clarification - the 30 repository limit is per user (not per org), so I expect you would still fall under the Team tier. I'd encourage you to try Graphite out for free - many companies have already found tons of value out of Graphite and are paying for us now. Also - we have a little promo code for users from Hacker News - try out HN15 :)

Thanks for the clarification. The limit of 30 repos per user is indeed more reasonable. The support for Github Enterprise which would necessitate the Enterprise tier, is that referring to all flavors of GH Enterprise or only the on prem version?

Re: Show HN: Graphite – Stacked Diffs on GitHub

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Post by nyy »

DandyDev wrote: post #58
thecarissa wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi there, thanks for the question! One quick clarification - the 30 repository limit is per user (not per org), so I expect you would still fall under the Team tier. I'd encourage you to try Graphite out for free - many companies have already found tons of value out of Graphite and are paying for us now. Also - we have a little promo code for users from Hacker News - try out HN15 :)

Thanks for the clarification. The limit of 30 repos per user is indeed more reasonable. The support for Github Enterprise which would necessitate the Enterprise tier, is that referring to all flavors of GH Enterprise or only the on prem version?

That refers only to the on-prem version; we support GitHub enterprise cloud out-of-the-box, even on the free tier.

Hearing about your company size and setup, you're actually in our team plan's sweet spot. If you give it a shot, reach out and let us know what you think!

Re: Show HN: Graphite – Stacked Diffs on GitHub

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Post by nyy »

tr_user wrote: post #43

is this in opposition to trunk based development?

Nope, we’re big believers in trunk-based development and see this as a necessary extension of it - when you’re blocked from merging into trunk (e.g. because you’re waiting for your teammates to review your code), we believe you should still be able to continue working on your new feature or refactor, but without continuing to make your PR larger and in turn more time-consuming for your teammates to review.

Stacking makes this all easy by allowing you to make smaller sets of dependent PRs so you can stay unblocked and merge into trunk more often.

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