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Re: Show HN: TxtNet Browser – Browse the Web over SMS, No Wi-Fi/Mobile Data Needed

#41

When I started programming, I thought this would be such a fun project. It brings me joy to see someone did it!

I'm glad to hear. This is actually sort of a spiritual successor to the now defunct Cosmos browser app that achieved a similar goal back in 2014, which was the original inspiration for my project!

Re: Show HN: TxtNet Browser – Browse the Web over SMS, No Wi-Fi/Mobile Data Needed

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Isn't SMS a more expensive transport usually? Wherever I've seen paid and limited SMS, they were ridiculously expensive for the amount of data transferred (e.g. in Indonesia). Do you have a specific "target market" in mind, with cheap / unlimited SMS but censored internet access? E.g. China, Russia, Turkey?

SMS messages in Russia are expensive by default. Most carriers offer cheap-ish unlimited SMS packages but I've no idea who they're for. Or how unlimited they really are. As far as censorship goes, a VPN is better by all metrics than this.

Absolutely - this isn't a VPN replacement, especially with all the limitations it has. It's more of an alternative to cases in which a VPN might not work (or work well) depending on the situation.

Re: Show HN: TxtNet Browser – Browse the Web over SMS, No Wi-Fi/Mobile Data Needed

#43

Maybe it is a shame that WAP usage died off as you could probably get the essential information from a site with very few bytes. Combined with something like this it would be great for getting stuff done.

I feel a WAP resurgence will be inevitable once we are all in space ;-)

or if Apple can reconfigure its emergency use satellite connection setup for actual data but at very slow rates.

I wish they could set it up so it could work in download-only and you could get some news/weather updates at least

Re: Show HN: TxtNet Browser – Browse the Web over SMS, No Wi-Fi/Mobile Data Needed

#44

This is how I used google over the SMS before I had my TMobile G1. Fun memory.

I remember you could text various things to a Google phone number and it would respond.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOOG-411

> Google also operated a similar service from SMS number 466453 which has also been discontinued.

I used it occasionally to get stock quotes when I bought my very first shares and wanted to check at lunch.

Re: Show HN: TxtNet Browser – Browse the Web over SMS, No Wi-Fi/Mobile Data Needed

#45
There was a story here a few months ago about a low-speed connection thingy that would take a webpage and convert all images into coloured ascii so the formatting of the original page still made sense. Like a Lynx browser but works well on modern pages.

You could install it on your server somewhere and then access it remotely and your server would do the transcoding. Was intended for people on slow connections...

Could be awesome chained with this!

Anyone have the link? Can't find it...

I found this, but I think there was something more recent: https://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/52166/linux...

Re: Show HN: TxtNet Browser – Browse the Web over SMS, No Wi-Fi/Mobile Data Needed

#46
That's really cool! There are situations where data is unreliable or congested, having a backup is very handy. SMS is very common LMICs as data can be expensive, nevermind the devices themselves are difficult to come by. I could see a UCS-2 implementation being a great feature for a project like this.

I built something similar recently (inspired by this project), a SMS to DuckDuckGo search [1] and weather lookup [2]. The submitted repo's app is Android only, so having a more universal approach is fun to have. I live and work remotely, my closest neighbour's km's away do not have internet but only cell phones with unlimited SMS. With no internet, they would not be able to download the app. Sort a chicken and the egg problem.

[1] https://github.com/snacsnoc/smsferret [2] https://github.com/snacsnoc/tomorrowsms

Re: Show HN: TxtNet Browser – Browse the Web over SMS, No Wi-Fi/Mobile Data Needed

#47

Nice! One small thing I noticed: it looks like you don't have compression turned up all the way. You might be able to save a lot of bandwidth if you use the most aggressive brotli settings for everything that's sent over SMS

I just ran some non-scientific tests with compression quality set to 11 (max), and these were the results: frogfind.com - default: 3 messages :: new: 3 messages lite.cnn.com - default: 43 messages :: new: 44 messages text.npr.org - default: 8 messages :: new: 8 messages "NFL Suspends 5 Players for Gambling" article: default: 15 messages :: new: 15 messages Seems like either I haven't properly implemented the dictiona…

Worth sharing these here:

https://blog.wturrell.co.uk/text-only-news-websites/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35313232

Re: Show HN: TxtNet Browser – Browse the Web over SMS, No Wi-Fi/Mobile Data Needed

#48
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

SMS messages in Russia are expensive by default. Most carriers offer cheap-ish unlimited SMS packages but I've no idea who they're for. Or how unlimited they really are. As far as censorship goes, a VPN is better by all metrics than this.

Absolutely - this isn't a VPN replacement, especially with all the limitations it has. It's more of an alternative to cases in which a VPN might not work (or work well) depending on the situation.

Russian internet censorship is very simple. They don't seem to be using DPI to target VPN protocols at all, instead trying to block IPs/subnets of known commercial VPN providers. Blocking IPs, subnets, and domains is the primary operating mode of Roskomnadzor.

There allegedly is DPI, but it only comes into play as an extra measure against things like domain fronting, proxies, and plaintext HTTP. It'd look at the SNI and inject a RST packet to drop the connection. As it does not even try to implement TCP, analyzing each IP packet in isolation, there are various interesting utilities[1] that mess with it by, for example, splitting the TLS ClientHello into two TCP packets in the middle of the domain name.

[1] https://github.com/ValdikSS/GoodbyeDPI

Re: Show HN: TxtNet Browser – Browse the Web over SMS, No Wi-Fi/Mobile Data Needed

#49

Maybe it is a shame that WAP usage died off as you could probably get the essential information from a site with very few bytes. Combined with something like this it would be great for getting stuff done.

I feel a WAP resurgence will be inevitable once we are all in space ;-)

In space you may have minutes of latency. Need some good edge caches.

Re: Show HN: TxtNet Browser – Browse the Web over SMS, No Wi-Fi/Mobile Data Needed

#50

Would be super super useful over WhatsApp. Is it possible? There are some cases where only WhatsApp is available as free WiFi...

Those countries with only WhatsApp available for free over internet should do something about net neutrality. When the telcos can sell app bundles, they will not focus on acting as an infrastructure provider.
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