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Re: Show HN: Mox - Modern full-featured low-maintenance self-hosted mail server

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Post by gboone »

pmoriarty wrote: post #26
creshal wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Email reputation is a complex topic, but generally as long as you • don't use an IP range classified as "consumer" (known dynamic IP DSL/cable ranges) • set up SPF • set up DKIM • don't send actual spam …it generally gets through. Mox is so far the easiest solution for SPF/DKIM I've seen, but if you don't mind spending a weekend tinkering, it should be solveable with any email stack. > In some cases, websites weren't…

> don't use an IP range classified as "consumer" (known dynamic IP DSL/cable ranges) How can you tell if the IP you use is or has been in one of those ranges?

I think "consumer" is being contrasted with a business contract offering static ip.

You should know because it is currently blocked - found by using mxtoolbox.com for example.

Or, suspect it will be because the ip to your residence is not a designated static ip. (In practice it may be ipv6 and never changes but applying a PTR to the ip requires assistance from the ISP and it would likely be outside of the contract.)

Re: Show HN: Mox - Modern full-featured low-maintenance self-hosted mail server

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Post by solarkraft »

Looks very nice!

But are there any good (modern) web clients (see Outlook Web)? E-Mail, in my experience as a light user, involves a lot of client side configuration (filters, sender names, ...) that I can't stand being tied to a single client device.

IO.OX (used at mailbox.org and strato, among others) is "alright", but I haven't seen much material about self hosting it.

Re: Show HN: Mox - Modern full-featured low-maintenance self-hosted mail server

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Post by myaccountonhn »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #33
c0l0 wrote: post #2

This project's scope is rather impressive, and from what I've gleaned from skimming its docs, it might be the perfect solution for people who want to self-host email. It tries to have most of the advanced/difficult things (like getting DKIM set up right) taken care of for the postmaster, as far as that is possible within a single application. I love that it will print the DNS records you'll need to set up in your zon…

I have used https://mailinabox.email/ for about 1.5 years. Installation was dead simple, and no technical problems after.

I've heard that using your own mail server can give issues with your email ending up in spam. Is that the case if you use this?

Re: Show HN: Mox - Modern full-featured low-maintenance self-hosted mail server

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Post by mjl- »

solarkraft wrote: post #42

Looks very nice! But are there any good (modern) web clients (see Outlook Web)? E-Mail, in my experience as a light user, involves a lot of client side configuration (filters, sender names, ...) that I can't stand being tied to a single client device. IO.OX (used at mailbox.org and strato, among others) is "alright", but I haven't seen much material about self hosting it.

> But are there any good (modern) web clients (see Outlook Web)? E-Mail, in my experience as a light user, involves a lot of client side configuration (filters, sender names, ...) that I can't stand being tied to a single client device.

I use thunderbird and iOS mail. With thunderbird, configuring an account is trivial with mox using autoconfig. Needs just an email address and password, the config is found automatically. I haven't gotten auto configuration to work with iOS/macOS mail or Outlook (with thunderbird-style autoconfig, microsoft-style autodiscover, or SRV-record style). Don't know what I'm doing wrong. I've seen apple products make requests to apple servers when trying to autoconfigure an account, but no requests from apple to me. I presume you they have some kind of allowlist. From Outlook I get some connection attempts from Microsoft, but they can't seem to set up a TLS connection (connection setup fails during negotiating; I've also seen them send invalid SNI names (trailing dots)). This shouldn't be hard... If anyone knows how to autoconfigure accounts with the mail clients that most of the world uses, let me know. (:

I'm wondering what kind of filters and settings you would configure on the client side. I would think you would do most on the server side. That doesn't mean it has to be integrated into a web client. Mox has an account web page where you can configure mailbox routing.

Once more urgent features/omissions are taken care of, I want to add a web mail client to mox (optional of course). A basic one should be doable.

Re: Show HN: Mox - Modern full-featured low-maintenance self-hosted mail server

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Post by ZWoz »

solarkraft wrote: post #42

Looks very nice! But are there any good (modern) web clients (see Outlook Web)? E-Mail, in my experience as a light user, involves a lot of client side configuration (filters, sender names, ...) that I can't stand being tied to a single client device. IO.OX (used at mailbox.org and strato, among others) is "alright", but I haven't seen much material about self hosting it.

Open-Xchange documentation is sometimes little bit fragmented, but Installation guides are available, example for Debian 11: https://oxpedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=AppSuite:Open-Xchan...

Now, those mailbox.org and others use (probably) commercial version. which comes with additional functionality (like document converters for preview) and providers make their own customizations top of that anyway.

Re: Show HN: Mox - Modern full-featured low-maintenance self-hosted mail server

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Post by robertlagrant »

tinus_hn wrote: post #35
p4bl0 wrote: post #17

The project looks cool! However, I think the hard part of self-hosting email is not the tech stack, it's getting email delivered to your recipients using Google or Microsoft severe email servers. It's hard to rent a server that IP address is not in a block that big email providers consider suspicious already or will soon. And any mishaps can get you locked out and you need manual intervention to be allowed again. I u…

If you’re not sending a very large amount of mail you can just get an AWS account and send through them for almost no money.

I wonder if another alternative would be SendGrid. You can send 100 emails/day with them for no money[0].

[0] https://sendgrid.com/pricing

Re: Show HN: Mox - Modern full-featured low-maintenance self-hosted mail server

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Post by igtztorrero »

Very Good GoLang code, I Will take some lines.

Please use a VPS with your own IP clean checked.

Register on Microsoft Mail Program to pass Hotmail, Outlook and other MS domains.

SPF and DKim are mandatories !!!

Postal Server has a Good interface to configure and check SPF and DKim records.

Re: Show HN: Mox - Modern full-featured low-maintenance self-hosted mail server

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Post by xolox »

scandox wrote: post #14
callesgg wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to get a proper self owned ip range with your own WHOIS info for your mail server. On google I found that one can get a IPv4 /30 subnet for about 11 USD a year.

Not a huge amount of hosting companies support Bring Your Own IP do they?

By definition most of them won't because it's a complicated mess.

Re: Show HN: Mox - Modern full-featured low-maintenance self-hosted mail server

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Post by mariusor »

mjl- wrote: post #40
mariusor wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Link for the lazy: https://github.com/mjl-/mox/issues/1 My own question is similar to one of the comments on the issue, how likely is it to have integrations with other authentication services? SSO was mentioned there, but I'm looking more specifically for integration on top of Ory products.

I added "implement oauth2 support" to the todo list from that comment. Shouldn't be too hard. If anyone has tips for simple-to-setup-oauth2 setups to test against, let me know. Is oauth2 support enough to get SSO covered? SASL (as used by SMTP/submission and IMAP) supports other methods (openid, saml), but I don't know clients that support that.

For my own server I used the osin[1] library.

[1] https://github.com/openshift/osin

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