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Re: Show HN: Loti – Remove revenge porn using facial recognition on adult sites

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Post by toomuchtodo »

cvalka wrote: post #37
toomuchtodo wrote: post #7

How do you confirm the identity of your customer to ensure your DMCA takedown notices are legitimate? How do you programmatically discern between non-consensual adult images being shared against the subject's wishes versus images where they are somewhere public, don't own the copyright to the photo, but the law does not require the copyright holder remove or take down the image? Cool idea, might need to pivot, regard…

Why is the DMCA even relevant here? Who's the copyright holder?

Not founders, so I can only provide my interpretation. Some states have revenge porn laws, some providers will remove content that is non consensual and of an adult nature if notified, so I presume they’re using DMCA as a proxy for all of the above. “Takedown requests” is probably better verbiage.

Depending on the circumstances, who the copyright holder is is immaterial.

Also, IANAL! Not legal advice!

Re: Show HN: Loti – Remove revenge porn using facial recognition on adult sites

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Post by lja »

cvalka wrote: post #37
toomuchtodo wrote: post #7

How do you confirm the identity of your customer to ensure your DMCA takedown notices are legitimate? How do you programmatically discern between non-consensual adult images being shared against the subject's wishes versus images where they are somewhere public, don't own the copyright to the photo, but the law does not require the copyright holder remove or take down the image? Cool idea, might need to pivot, regard…

Why is the DMCA even relevant here? Who's the copyright holder?

They are considered unauthorized models.

Re: Show HN: Loti – Remove revenge porn using facial recognition on adult sites

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Post by lja »

cvalka wrote: post #39
lja wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t make everyone happy.

No, obviously, not with bullshit claims.

Literally, I’ve cited the Nation Association of Attorneys General. How it keeps getting reduced to bullshit is beyond my comprehension.

EDIT: I'll just make one more comment about our marketing materials then I'm going to leave it alone.

Most people don't realize how prevalent NCII is. Most people would be mortified to find out our database is home to millions of hidden cameras from short-term rentals, bathrooms, changing rooms and private environments of that ilk.

We want to encourage everyone to at least check to see if this is something they may be a victim of. We used solid referenced studies from reputable agencies to highlight how common this problem can actually be.

For everyone and anyone that wants to upload a picture, without giving us a credit card we'll check for free. That's part of our onboarding and that's what happens for the majority of signups. People upload a picture, we say "there is nothing we've found" and they bounce.

What we don't want people to think is, "This service is only for people that send intimate images, there is no way I'm impacted by this." Unfortunately, this problem is far more common than most realize. I feel like your stance only highlights that.

We want people to try, for free, to see if there is content out there we can help them remove.

Re: Show HN: Loti – Remove revenge porn using facial recognition on adult sites

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Post by lja »

shubb wrote: post #27
lja wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would love clarity, what do you mean? That is the whole point of the service. If you don't submit a clear picture of yourself, there isn't any way for us to search.

I guess the concern is that you are going to link an anonymous pornographic video to a real identity you have confirmed with ID. Clearly a big security risk there that needs to be handled carefully. For instance, if your alert email contains a link to the video, a bad actor who also had access to that email account now potentially had a blackmail opportunity. I am sure you handle all this carefully but you have to ad…

We are very careful with all outbound emails. We built an email system inside of our app to offer a second level of protection from adult sites.

Re: Show HN: Loti – Remove revenge porn using facial recognition on adult sites

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Post by lja »

Am4TIfIsER0ppos wrote: post #29
lja wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would love clarity, what do you mean? That is the whole point of the service. If you don't submit a clear picture of yourself, there isn't any way for us to search.

You are making a great database. Ripe for governments, spies, stalkers, and trolls. Being as paranoid as I am I wonder which I assume this falls into.

You’re not crazy, all those risks exist. Right now, we are weighing the good of getting this content off the internet versus the theoretical bad our own system being misused.

Re: Show HN: Loti – Remove revenge porn using facial recognition on adult sites

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Post by braingenious »

lja wrote: post #43
cvalka wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, obviously, not with bullshit claims.

Literally, I’ve cited the Nation Association of Attorneys General. How it keeps getting reduced to bullshit is beyond my comprehension. EDIT: I'll just make one more comment about our marketing materials then I'm going to leave it alone. Most people don't realize how prevalent NCII is. Most people would be mortified to find out our database is home to millions of hidden cameras from short-term rentals, bathrooms, cha…

> How it keeps getting reduced to bullshit is beyond my comprehension

Can you answer a simple yes or no to the statement “I believe that there are over two and a half billion victims of revenge porn”?

If yes, why did you post this:

> > Also, I don't think these numbers could be extrapolated to every country/region/culture on earth but they do seem to hold for european and english speaking markets.

If no, why is that figure used on your website?

Re: Show HN: Loti – Remove revenge porn using facial recognition on adult sites

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Post by Schnitz »

lja wrote: post #45
Am4TIfIsER0ppos wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are making a great database. Ripe for governments, spies, stalkers, and trolls. Being as paranoid as I am I wonder which I assume this falls into.

You’re not crazy, all those risks exist. Right now, we are weighing the good of getting this content off the internet versus the theoretical bad our own system being misused.

How do you verify that the image being uploaded is indeed the user? Otherwise anyone can upload a photo of anyone else to see if they find something, which means you’d be taking the damage of revenge porn to a whole new level by creating an easily searchable index.
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