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Re: Show HN: Skyline Co-op is like SimTower, but built around democratic socialism

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Post by bildung »

elcritch wrote: post #28
bildung wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That cuts both ways - can people in the US vote for democratic socialism, or will the capitalists then create super PACs to influence elections, thus undermining the principle of one person, one vote?

This is nonsensical. This PAC influence being putatively for buying advertising, to you know influence individual voters to their point of view? They can’t literally buy votes. So votes only matter if they’re not influenced by PACs? Perhaps it’s more that if a voter agrees with a capitalist PAC then it’s no longer a valid individual vote? It smacks of anti-democratic value that the masses are too dumb to vote correct…

Of course they don't literally buy votes, but statistically they very much do. Stuff like not having votes only on sundays, votes taking hours, publicity just meaning outspending the opponent etc. are all things most other democracies don't have. I literally had a political science course in university were these were taught as cases of voter suppression (i.e. If you are a member of the working /middle /upper class, how likely is it that you can easily be off work for a full day on a tuesday, compared to a sunday?).

Re: Show HN: Skyline Co-op is like SimTower, but built around democratic socialism

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Post by geekamongus »

a2ff6eeb0 wrote: post #30
bildung wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But not that new, "The capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them" is a quote attributed to Lenin, so >100 years old by now

This smells a bit closer to "We're capitalists, but we'd like to get some lift from the current socialist vibe". If that's the case, respect for skimming off the rubes. If not, it's giving "We're tying ourselves up with the rope the capitalists sold us".

Well, it's a free game, and open source...

I acknowledge the irony though.

Re: Show HN: Skyline Co-op is like SimTower, but built around democratic socialism

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Post by bildung »

geekamongus wrote: post #27
bildung wrote: post #23

Nice, this has a cute feel to it. I smiled about some of the gossip at the bottom. Tiny suggestions: make the space bar pause/unpause, and for my ears the background music could be way quieter compared to the sound effects - with the default settings I thought the game had no sound yet. Will definitely play more in the evening!

Thanks for the feedback! If you hold the volume button it opens up sliders to adjust the music/ambient noise levels. I should make this more obvious, probably.

No it's fine, I had no trouble finding the sound settings! My remark was just about the defaults (and probably is more of an individual preference anyway)

Re: Show HN: Skyline Co-op is like SimTower, but built around democratic socialism

#34

Post by Kim_Bruning »

Is it the idea to build a lot of coop working spaces first? Building homes is nice, but they don't pay as much rent.

Huh, flagged already. That seems just a bit unfair. It's a decent game! Maybe next round?

One thing I wonder about is that it does need some playtesting yet. Early game is slow!

Re: Show HN: Skyline Co-op is like SimTower, but built around democratic socialism

#35

Post by derdi »

geekamongus wrote: post #24
derdi wrote: post #15

Cute game! Very CPU-hungry (in Firefox on Linux), maybe you can get it a bit more optimized. There are some annoying AI-isms ("the X is the goal not the Y"-- just tell me the X please). Is there a way to build anything on the ground floor, or is it just a big empty lobby? Feels like wasting a lot of space.

Thanks...I will work on optimizing that. There's also a Mac version you can download, but that wouldn't work in your case. As someone else said, the lobby is the lobby - eventually the Assembly starts to meet there once you make enough progress, but that is about it.

Got it, fair enough, thanks!

Re: Show HN: Skyline Co-op is like SimTower, but built around democratic socialism

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Post by bigfishrunning »

bildung wrote: post #29
bigfishrunning wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the socialists don't influence elections? they don't have speeches and advertising? News to me -- are you sure the majority want socialism? seems like many many people don't. Or is the election only "influenced" if it doesn't go your way?

I have no horse in that race as I don't live in the US. But reading today that in Michigan the democratic primary loser outspent the winner almost 10:1 truly baffled my mind. Stuff like this isn't even legal in most other democracies, i.e. in France all presidential candidates have to have equal TV time to present their respective positions. Imagine how the political landscape in the US would look like if people's vo…

So the primary should have gone to the person who spent more? maybe infinite spending can't force through an unpopular platform?

Re: Show HN: Skyline Co-op is like SimTower, but built around democratic socialism

#37

Post by ceejayoz »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #36
bildung wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no horse in that race as I don't live in the US. But reading today that in Michigan the democratic primary loser outspent the winner almost 10:1 truly baffled my mind. Stuff like this isn't even legal in most other democracies, i.e. in France all presidential candidates have to have equal TV time to present their respective positions. Imagine how the political landscape in the US would look like if people's vo…

So the primary should have gone to the person who spent more? maybe infinite spending can't force through an unpopular platform?

I think you've misinterpreted the parent.

Someone almost bought that election. That it didn't quite work doesn't make it a good scenario.

Re: Show HN: Skyline Co-op is like SimTower, but built around democratic socialism

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Post by FeloniousHam »

bildung wrote: post #31
elcritch wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is nonsensical. This PAC influence being putatively for buying advertising, to you know influence individual voters to their point of view? They can’t literally buy votes. So votes only matter if they’re not influenced by PACs? Perhaps it’s more that if a voter agrees with a capitalist PAC then it’s no longer a valid individual vote? It smacks of anti-democratic value that the masses are too dumb to vote correct…

Of course they don't literally buy votes, but statistically they very much do. Stuff like not having votes only on sundays, votes taking hours, publicity just meaning outspending the opponent etc. are all things most other democracies don't have. I literally had a political science course in university were these were taught as cases of voter suppression (i.e. If you are a member of the working /middle /upper class,…

> Of course they don't literally buy votes, but statistically they very much do.

Counterpoint: Haley Stevens Brad Daigle Jon Tester Sherrod Brown Tom Steyer Hillary Clinton Michael Bloomberg (the list is long)

You need "some amount of money" to compete in elections, but the "money correlates to votes" is canard.

Re: Show HN: Skyline Co-op is like SimTower, but built around democratic socialism

#39

Post by jakswa »

Kim_Bruning wrote: post #34

Is it the idea to build a lot of coop working spaces first? Building homes is nice, but they don't pay as much rent. Huh, flagged already. That seems just a bit unfair. It's a decent game! Maybe next round? One thing I wonder about is that it does need some playtesting yet. Early game is slow!

I can't begin to picture how much AI slop they are having to filter out. I wonder if they are going to entertain some UX to save people disappointment. "The project should be non-trivial. Don't post quickly-generated one-offs; anybody can do that now. Share something that is deeply personal and interesting to you. Explain how and why." To me the whole HN website feels like a quickly-generated one-off lol. Guess they hope you can find the freshest ruleset for the thing you're trying to post. https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html

Re: Show HN: Skyline Co-op is like SimTower, but built around democratic socialism

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Post by arendtio »

jakswa wrote: post #39
Kim_Bruning wrote: post #34

Is it the idea to build a lot of coop working spaces first? Building homes is nice, but they don't pay as much rent. Huh, flagged already. That seems just a bit unfair. It's a decent game! Maybe next round? One thing I wonder about is that it does need some playtesting yet. Early game is slow!

I can't begin to picture how much AI slop they are having to filter out. I wonder if they are going to entertain some UX to save people disappointment. "The project should be non-trivial. Don't post quickly-generated one-offs; anybody can do that now. Share something that is deeply personal and interesting to you. Explain how and why." To me the whole HN website feels like a quickly-generated one-off lol. Guess they…

If it was generated pre-2020 by some slow meatballs (like news.ycombinator.com), it is okay to have edges; post-2020, it must be closed to perfection.

I don't know what everybody is complaining about AI-generated content. In the past, nobody cared how the content was generated (ed, vim, emacs, VS Code, ...). It either was good or it was not.

Personally, I don't care if the content is AI-generated as long as it is good. But maybe that is, because I think that it is possible to generate good content using AI.

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