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Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by WayToDoor »

carstenhag wrote: post #29
WayToDoor wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They give you the paper at the vaccination center or when getting your test result.

In Germany this paper is just that, a paper. It has 0 safety measurements. You can get blank ones for cheap, via the internet or your doctor. From Biontech or the other vaccine manufacturers you can get the blank charge number thingies which you can then stick onto the paper. You have to fake a signage but nobody can tell whether it's fake or not.

Then can it really be trusted at a time when people fake vaccination cards in the US, lie about COVID and don't even wear masks ?

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by jonnylynchy »

maxerickson wrote: post #21
semerda wrote: post #14

Gattaca. I’m curious tho where does it stop. For example, US stopped TB vax long time ago while half of EU continues. Those born in EU bear the scars on their arms from the vax. Sure TB isn’t as prevalent in the US as it used to be but there’s nothing stopping it from coming on a plane. Bacterial infections of the lungs are very hard to fight esp with the increase of antibiotic resistance. A single cough from a TB in…

It'll probably stop shortly after France achieves a high enough level of vaccination to (more or less) stop community spread. Based on the UK, Israel and the US, 60% looks like it gets you pretty close to that.

Which is where we are now apparently, 60%! https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/us-reaches-60-adults-d...

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by ForHackernews »

hntroll1221 wrote: post #27
dzhiurgis wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Are you familiar with what public health is? Such restrictions are so people are encouraged to get vaccinated. Taking something away so far is most effective way to convince people.

That'd be placing people under duress to undergo a medical procedure, which is a violation of the Nuremberg Code. Leftists are going for internal passport systems and repeating the mistakes of the Nazis. How much more would a reasonable person need to see before becoming concerned about the direction of the world lately?

Going to a football match is not a human right. I don't see any problem with requiring vaccinations before attending big crowded events with lots of people.

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by maxerickson »

jonnylynchy wrote: post #32
maxerickson wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll probably stop shortly after France achieves a high enough level of vaccination to (more or less) stop community spread. Based on the UK, Israel and the US, 60% looks like it gets you pretty close to that.

Which is where we are now apparently, 60%! https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/us-reaches-60-adults-d...

Right. The outbreak in Michigan is subsiding even as people are doing less mitigation, for instance.

With ~75 million children in the US, we aren't quite at 60% of the population though. Hopefully the number of vaccinated goes up quite a bit more.

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by carlob »

xdennis wrote: post #13

> citizens will have to present the pass either as a printed document, or a code in the french government's TousAntiCovid mobile application What about people who don't have phones or printers?

You go to a print shop and spend 5 cents to get it printed? That is if you lost the copy given when getting your second dose...

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by dzhiurgis »

WayToDoor wrote: post #23
wazari972 wrote: post #7

> But starting from that, can we implement what seemed to be the initial goal stated in the government's document ? why not simply having 2 QR codes, one full, one light ... ?

Because - People would have to know which QR to show - Organizers could get more access to data by telling users "not that QR, the other one" ?

But that would be illegal...

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by idoubtit »

maxerickson wrote: post #22
stdclass wrote: post #11

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Which it certainly is not, if you look at the numbers.

People sick with corona going to events will clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous.

People who drive (especially SUV) will clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous.

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by maxerickson »

idoubtit wrote: post #38
maxerickson wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People sick with corona going to events will clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous.

People who drive (especially SUV) will clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous.

Sure, we make all sorts of trade offs. The other poster is arguing that people should people able to choose for themselves whether they risk infection, which isn't the point of these passes, they are a community health measure.

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by input_sh »

idoubtit wrote: post #38
maxerickson wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People sick with corona going to events will clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous.

People who drive (especially SUV) will clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous.

Cars don't infect other cars on the road.
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