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Post by jokethrowaway »

swatcoder wrote: post #35
that_guy_iain wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would suspect you would not be considered an employee but a contractor. I am not sure how they much they're required to report about their vendors.

In the US and comparable jurisdictions, the concept of employee and contractor are not interchangeable and imply differences in things like autonomy and expectations. This is as much to make sure that workers have appropriate protections and that contractors have appropriate freedom as it is about tax reporting or whatever. Far more likely is that these companies aren't well-footed legally and don't realize that they…

It's highly debatable and jurisdiction dependant.

Plenty of contractors are basically employees paying less taxes and not having holidays.

(not that I'm complaining, I'm glad there is a legal way to minimise how much the government steals from me)

States are a bit trickier because healthcare is so ridiculously overpriced and therefore people value health insurance provided by an employer. I never even bothered to sign up for the private health insurance I had in the UK and just either user the crappy public one or paid out of pocket, finding the best doctor for the job (instead of what my insurance would have offered).

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Post by bombcar »

vel0city wrote: post #203
Canada wrote: post #170

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I'm not suggesting it's necessary to pay any person you associate with. It just seems a really intrusive restriction to legally report on anyone you pay. To me, it seems as absurd as having to file a report with the government on anyone you meet. I can see justification in narrow cases, but requiring it universally seems ridiculous to me.

> you really have a right to free association if you have to file a report if you pay someone $600 to do something for you? > I'm not suggesting it's necessary to pay any person you associate with. So you agree the right to free association is orthogonal to the idea of hiring people to do a paid job then, right? In which case, how is having labor hiring laws a violation of free association, when you agree you can sti…

You can even give hundreds or thousands of dollars to people as gifts without reporting requirements.

The requirements kick in when people are trying to avoid paying social security tax, basically, or paying for work under the table.

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Post by bombcar »

ev1 wrote: post #87
duxup wrote: post #85

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It's interesting how this plays out with crypto and not exactly the same / intensity with traditional finance employees.

My assumption is that traditional finance money is often a lot more refundable. FWIW, different industry, but I did a few months as a contractor at two AAA game devs and my god the amount of shit you have to deal with, having a staff flagged forum account with 0 posts, people would go through the member list, send hundreds of DMs begging for free shit, try to find your email to harass you for free beta keys or cash s…

Yeah, the majority of the financial world has reversible transactions (in fact, it's so rare that they are NOT that it becomes news when it happens: https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1019909860) and the places where they are NOT access is limited or double-checked (think stock trades).

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Post by bombcar »

ghaff wrote: post #105
swatcoder wrote: post #67

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As a general tip: Trusting that someone doing something markedly unusual is "handling it somehow" is a great way to get some ugly surprises later. Companies do things wrong all the time and in many cases you can find yourself liable for their mistakes/abuses in some way or another. Sometimes at great cost. Obviously, you need to trust every employer/client to some degree, but you'll benefit yourself by developing a s…

Paying an anonymous person in crypto doesn't sound much different from slipping that same person an envelope of unmarked bills to do some work. Which is something people with fiduciary responsibility at a company are not going to generally sign off on.

The bills are much less traceable and petty cash exists for a reason, but the point stands.

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Post by jokethrowaway »

300bps wrote: post #23
0xPersona wrote: post #11

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Admittedly, that sentence might be a tad hyperbolic right now, but I do think increasingly it will be the case. I do think there's no inherit reason why we need to know peoples' legal/irl identities in order to assert that they're suitable for a job. I can even imagine using Zero Knowledge Proofs to prove that candidates reside in certain territories, if that's a requirement that your job might have.

I do think there's no inherit reason why we need to know peoples' legal/irl identities in order to assert that they're suitable for a job. Respectfully, are you extremely young? Someone near me was recently convicted of embezzling $3.2 million from our local government. Should she be able to work as a city controller at another local government when she gets out of jail? I could bring up another certain population ap…

No employee should be able to have the opportunity to steal 3.2M, especially if that's money that has been extorted under threat of imprisonment from honest working people.

Sure, people may want to voluntarily pool money for some reason or another; I would recommend smart contracts to manage this in a safe way, but there may be a point where trust is required.

Offering a service based on trust means having a reputation-based system (third party reviews, third party audits, third party certifications) of competing people offering the service.

The reputation could be based on a pseudonym but an address is be needed for a potential court case.

There are plenty of services where this is not relevant though.

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Post by whynotkeithberg »

Holy shit and I won't even attempt to say this with any tact or grace... You're quite a few years to late to take advantage of the talent you did without any actual plan to pay them for their work. The greater fool concept only works for so long.

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Post by Canada »

klyrs wrote: post #216
Canada wrote: post #166

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How much is that worth if you aren't legally allowed to give anyone any money?

No rights are absolute, they all have limitations when they impede on other rights. A history of unfair labor practices has established a precedent of limitations on "free association." Even the right to life has limitations in the US, if a judge finds you sufficiently heinous.

I'm not trying to advocate for some absolute freedom of action here. I'm saying it is, in my view, unreasonable that anyone who pays someone else a grand to do something suddenly has an obligation to report that to the government.

To me, it seems excessive, and incompatible with the principles of a generally free society. I'm not convinced that any history of unfair labor practice justifies such reporting obligations, which imply some obligation to refuse to accept payment in exchange for performing some perfectly legal work. It seems to be that the purpose of this requirement is the convenience of enforcement of tax compliance and nothing more.

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Post by rgbrgb »

cortesoft wrote: post #215
Stevvo wrote: post #152

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One of the hiring entities is not a company, at-least in the legal sense. How would one hope to enforce "multi-million dollar penalties" on an organisation whose members are all anonymous and manifest only as code and Blockchain transactions?

Investigators would figure out who owns the blockchain addresses.

What if the employer is a smart contract with no owner?

Or you're saying that the freelancer would be liable for corporate taxes of the smart contract?

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Post by cma »

PeterisP wrote: post #98
that_guy_iain wrote: post #20

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I would suspect you would not be considered an employee but a contractor. I am not sure how they much they're required to report about their vendors.

It's not an arbitrary choice whether to treat a particular interaction as an employee or as a contractor - the nuances are a bit tricky, but in general it's prohibited to treat it as contracting if it isn't actual contracting but if someone is working what we'd call a standard full time job at a company. The obvious way (mentioned elsewhere here) is that you can reasonably provide services as a business - non-anonymo…

Just to underline non-anonymously: https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2021/02/04/the-end-of-the-an...

Owners can no longer hide their identity with a shell company after a recent law.

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Post by seanhunter »

olalonde wrote: post #109

Might want to look at adult industry jobs, a lot of them offer remote work with minimal identity verification. Ironically, that's how I got my first development job when I was still in high school (the employer didn't know nor ask my age). It would have been a lot more difficult to get a similar job at a "regular" employer who knew my age.

Seems to me that _of all employers_ it would be most important for the adult industry to verify people’s age.
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