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Re: Show HN: Bike – macOS Native Outliner

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Post by dietsprite »

jessegrosjean wrote: post #162
dietsprite wrote: post #141

Great job with this. Going to try it out now. Slightly off-topic: What is the name of the song in the video? I want to play it on loop as I work

Couldn't remember. Just found it: https://audiojungle.net/item/the-snaps-claps-stomps-pack/363...

Great - thank you

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Post by jb1991 »

GaylordTuring wrote: post #186
humanistbot wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hated the music and closed my browser the second I couldn't find a mute button.

Sorry, I might have misunderstood you, but can’t you just mute the audio of your device altogether? Or do you want to continue to listen to music in the background or something?

It’s not uncommon to respond to bad UX by simply leaving. I do that all the time.

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Post by pisipisipisi »

jrk wrote: post #161
pisipisipisi wrote: post #156

I wish someone re-created Varatek B-liner ... https://www.mind-mapping.org/index.php?title=B-liner_2002

It's not exactly the same, but a similar left-to-right tree outliner, specifically optimized for writing, is https://gingkoapp.com

Thanks! This looks like an awesome text editor and has the very understandable navigation I miss from b-liner!

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Post by idk1 »

Looks great, one thing that is not usable is the video player, it only has a play pause, I wanted to seek around to watch bits again, you need a video player with good usability if your app has good usability (which it looks like it does!). That video player might be the first click or interaction a user is having with your brand, it should live a positive imprint on them, not a feeling of fustration. I wanted to watch more of your app being used in the video, go back a bit and see it again, and I couldn't jump around the video.

Hope this is constructive, I don't mean to be negative, the app looks fantastic!

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Post by vintagedave »

jessegrosjean wrote: post #144
vintagedave wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny how our expectations have changed. I am keen to like this app simply because of who it's from, Hog Bay, who made one of the first Mac apps that really inspired me to how different Mac software could be back in the 2005-ish era. That was WriteRoom, and I used it on my second-gen Intel running Tiger and Snow Leopard. In 2007 it was $25: https://web.archive.org/web/20070202002238/https://www.hogba... (and cri…

Thanks for history link, just spent 15 minutes looking through my own website :)

It was a blast from the past! I really enjoy looking at sites from that era - I'm thinking of setting up a proxy through the Internet Archive (several tutorials online) to use with my lampshade iMac running Snow Leopard.

UI, UX, websites, software -- it was a good time and we've lost a lot.

Re: Show HN: Bike – macOS Native Outliner

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Post by jessegrosjean »

jxy wrote: post #90
camgunz wrote: post #74

In particular I love these features: - "respects your computer's memory and battery" - "uses open file formats" - "is scriptable" Feels like we should also think about these kinds of things when we think about "organic" software. Kudos to the developer for these.

How much memory and battery do all the animation use?

If anyone digs in and profiles Bike 1.0 you'll unfortunately find that it is wasting some CPU with a timer. This will be fixed soon and is not related to underlying architecture or animations. It's me coalescing events from user defaults with a Combine API that I didn't fully understand.

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Post by jessegrosjean »

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #109
jessegrosjean wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry I don't. So much still to do on Bike, I think my time is better spent building up the app feature set.

Please do at least put the minimum required version on the homepage (maybe in small text below the "Download" button or something).

A bit late, but added, I always forget that bit.

Re: Show HN: Bike – macOS Native Outliner

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Post by jessegrosjean »

yes_but_no wrote: post #200

When apps use text based single file as data source are they flushing the whole file when user makes an update? If I add or move a line does Bike rewrites the whole file and updates the in-mem sorted-dict op mentioned?

For saving to disk yes, but not on every keystroke. An autosave is scheduled and then the save is performed after some period of time. The underlying scheduling and behavior is provided by macOS framework code.

If you add a line then rows after it in the array get shifted.

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Post by 8fingerlouie »

ubermonkey wrote: post #121
mpwoz wrote: post #118

Surprised nobody has mentioned org-mode yet. It does everything shown in the video: collapse/expand nodes, focus on subtrees, ability to highlight across rows/nodes, etc. That said, the fluid animations in Bike look great, and the video was very slick! Nice work.

Well, you just did. OrgMode relies on emacs, which is not exactly in the same class of software that this is. This is "one thing well" stuff. Emacs and OrgMode are pretty much the other side of the continuum.

There's a fairly complete, and rather functional plugin for Sublime Text : https://github.com/ihdavids/orgextended
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