Show HN: Duolingo-style exercises but with real-world content like the news
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#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it? At the end of the day, whether it's effective or not, Duolingo sells the feeling that you are learning a language to people. Winning a competition with Duolingo means doing better at making people feel like they are learning a language -- the strategy to win against Duolingo probably involves watering down the learning even more, to better sell the feeling. A good way to think about it is look at some organiza…
there is an underserved audience that wants an engaging way to learn a language and are disillusioned with Duolingo already Duolingo is for people that will never travel for more than a weekend once every other year, and its fine that its entertaining for them or their last minute crash course to feel less ignorant. Lately I've seen it used by people that want to feel closer to their roots. But I don't think people a…
I'm just very unsure whether it's possible to design an effective language learning program that is "engaging" in the way that Duolingo users want it. At the end of the day, you should feel engagement from using the language (and seeing yourself improve) and not from external gimmicks.
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#1741) Let us keep the right sidebar permanently out, and DON'T grey out the rest of the screen. I want to be able to click on target language words and immediately see them. Like, you've given us the translated sentence, but I can't see which word is which;
2) Colour _the same words_ in both languages when doing mouseover;
3) Or just highlight BOTH as we're listening [but note issue below!];
4) Make the keyboard use a bit more intuitive - i.e. left/right obviously means "go back or forward in the video/audio", but now I have to CLICK on the yt video again to get that behavior. It should be auto so I don't have to do that. Similarly, I want to click on a word to know it's meaning, but then go back to space->pause behavior. Rn clicking a word breaks that. Just adds friction to users.
5) Consider yt-dlp to save the videos so if we are studying one, and yt pulls it, we can keep using. Maybe for the roadmap.
6) Consider allowing us to add words to vocab -- and which vocab -- directly from mouseover [without clogging up UI - not sure there]. Right now it's a bit convoluted [right sidebar, which again should be permanent and integrated, not greying out the main screen - but even if that was fixed, that's a lot of mouse movement]
6) Handle idiomatic language issues better. You'll probably need another LLM pass/method for this, but IT'S a BIG ONE! Languages don't map 1:1 obviously, so for example this one:
https://app.fluentsubs.com/stream?v=cm8mnqrqe084ervb0mi6a4sa...
"genommen" was translated as "taken" I dump into 4o and it explains
In the phrase „genau genommen“, the word „genommen“ is part of a fixed idiomatic expression and doesn't translate literally as "taken."
„Genau genommen“ means "strictly speaking" or "to be precise."
So the full sentence:
„Wir sind heute wieder auf der Straße unterwegs, genau genommen auf dem Flohmarkt…“
translates to:
"Today we're out on the street again — strictly speaking, at the flea market…"
It’s specifying or narrowing down what “on the street” means in this context.
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So you'll need to pull out these idiomatic phrases and then make sure they can be analysed as a single unit, so to speak. Learners are gonna have to be acquainted with those, and now the workflow is obviously broken.
Basically just get a model to bundle them and then in the sidebar on the right that has like "drill into X" you've got the PHRASE as a unit of analysis.
Re: Show HN: Duolingo-style exercises but with real-world content like the news
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
It works to a first approximation. Of the five languages I have configured in KDE, three of them are country-specific. So I use the flag indicator, which is far quicker for me to locate and identify out of the corner of my eye than would be a text label (which would require using the retina and thus more time and attention).
Sure, fine for personal uses. I mean broadly and generally. As for English, the United States has far and away the largest number of native English speakers. Not that I think the stars and stripes has any more right to represent “English” as a concept any more than the Union Jack. If you’re going on origin, why not the flag of England instead?
> If you’re going on origin, why not the flag of England instead?
I actually really like that idea. The US and UK flags seem to represent more culture than language.Re: Show HN: Duolingo-style exercises but with real-world content like the news
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#177Re: Show HN: Duolingo-style exercises but with real-world content like the news
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, fine for personal uses. I mean broadly and generally. As for English, the United States has far and away the largest number of native English speakers. Not that I think the stars and stripes has any more right to represent “English” as a concept any more than the Union Jack. If you’re going on origin, why not the flag of England instead?
> If you’re going on origin, why not the flag of England instead? I actually really like that idea. The US and UK flags seem to represent more culture than language.
The moral is: don't try to draw boxes around languages.
All that said, I do understand why someone would want to use flags as shorthand for language. It's wrong, but it's useful.
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#179Really enjoy this method. Please add Irish if you can! TG4 could be used as possible source material: https://www.youtube.com/@TG4TV/videos
I'm using AssemlbyAI and Deepgram for the transcripts at the moment. Unfortunately, they don't support Irish. However, I did see this: https://elevenlabs.io/speech-to-text/irish . Not sure how accurate it is.
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#180I'd straight up pay 5 or 10 bucks a month for this if it was like... 200% more functional/featured/professional/working. VERY good proof of concept and I love it. Target language is german fwiw.
I've been working hard to get the quality up. And now that I have some paid users for the large languages I can also auto-transcribe high quality channels. Main reason for the poor exercises (especially for German) was that I initially picked some poor channels and I was being cheap.
I've updated the german channel and that should hopefully result in a better experience.