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Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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This looks pretty slick and well done for having a comprehensive FAQ section and plenty of info which answered most of my questions. For me, email is the 'master key' for most of my online accounts (because password resets are done via email so if your email account is compromised an attacker can quickly leverage access to other services) and email security is top priority. I didn't see anything about using two-facto…

Can't up vote high enough.

TLS 1.2 and Yubikey support are necessities, IMO.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

#172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it be possible to consider adding security keys as a second factor of authentication? For example a Yubikey[1]. It's slowly being adopted by major players, Google, Github and LastPass to name a few. [1] https://developers.yubico.com/

If they use a 2FA service like authy, this kind of support is often built in. I don't know what these devs have in store for 2FA though.

Yes please consider Authy, they make it especially easy to do 2FA as a user.

https://www.authy.com/developers

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

#173

This looks pretty slick and well done for having a comprehensive FAQ section and plenty of info which answered most of my questions. For me, email is the 'master key' for most of my online accounts (because password resets are done via email so if your email account is compromised an attacker can quickly leverage access to other services) and email security is top priority. I didn't see anything about using two-facto…

Can't up vote high enough. TLS 1.2 and Yubikey support are necessities, IMO.

I don't think Yubikey is a necessity. But at least a form of 2 factor authentication yes.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

#174

This looks pretty slick and well done for having a comprehensive FAQ section and plenty of info which answered most of my questions. For me, email is the 'master key' for most of my online accounts (because password resets are done via email so if your email account is compromised an attacker can quickly leverage access to other services) and email security is top priority. I didn't see anything about using two-facto…

I was also discouraged to see there was no 2fa option. Email is simply too important. One of the reasons I stick with gmail is because I know Google hires some of the best security people in the world and takes it very seriously. They also support 2fa and other security measures.

On the other hand, unless you use their paid service or you know someone, you don't really have many options to get in touch with them.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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post #33

Sounded interesting, but it seems abit misleading to me.. The title says "unlimited" and the page says: > We do not count your domains, mailboxes, gigabytes or teeth. yet the pricing page says: > up to 100 outgoing emails per day Even the most expensive plan says 2000. I'm not saying it's unreasonable, but it's certainly not unlimited in that respect.

It makes all the other pages look like pure marketing slang. So instead of counting domains or gigabytes, they count outgoing emails. How is this "radically different"?

Their claims basically are that hard drives are cheap and cost drops and that domains and users are simply a configuration change (which is automated).

They're charging based on something that actually has an impact. Sending emails incurs in a load as well as receiving one back (you probably are getting a response) and work that the emails may incur. The more emails you send, the odds of needing a clean IPs in case something happens (blacklist is the first thing that comes to mind) on the amount of emails they send, dealing with blacklists is something that statistically will happen the more emails are sent as well. So they charge you by the impact each email sent has and for the cost of hard drives.

I guess they're charging more on a probability of the time they need to work on it the more emails are sent. There is a cost associated with developing the code, sure, but the more people, the less it is per person and once it's developed, it's only new features and maintaining.

It seems they've set it up to scale and it seem they have a lot automated. I'm assuming this based on this:

  According to our trials, it would take us up to 30 minutes to setup a completely new infrastructure and get all clients back live. 
According to the affiliate link, you get up to 50% of what a user you refer pays (if you give a discount, it comes out of your share of the price). So it seems like they've made the math and it looks like they can at least break even, ideally they still see some revenue, with only earning half of what they charge.

It seems very well structured and organized. I'm testing it out. Paid for a year. If I transfer everything (a couple of domains, but only a handful of accounts. Maybe I will end up setting them via aliases...) I may upgrade just to give back. I had been looking into OVH, Rackspace, FastMail, Google Apps, etc and hadn't switched because they charge for everything...

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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post #85

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Yeah outlook is doing the same to me, keeps marking migadu emails as spam despite corrections as well as from my newly-setup-on-migadu domain. Just upgraded to paid though, hoping it'll sort itself out in time.

That's a bit of a red flag to me. If they can't deliver their own mail to the inbox, how am I supposed to trust them with mine?

That's fine with us. Nevertheless, I am not sure you appreciate or fully understand how email works. If outlook is marking as spam a valid, DKIM authenticated email, with a correct SPF from a server with excellent reputation of 99/100 (SenderScore) and good domain reputation...who is to blame?

Everyone is quick to jump and blame the small guy. :) Our reputation score is actually better than some of the largest email providers because of our low volume and individual verification.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

#177
post #155

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You are absolutely right. However, our limits are not really hard limits. If someone occasionally needs to send more emails we do not make a fuss about it. However, a red flag (thanks for mentioning it :) goes up and we check if everything is ok. We never sanction users. We do have sales teams using Migadu. However, they simply estimated how much they would send and signed up for the higher plan. It's straight forwar…

So you have clients sending unsolicited emails touting for business through the same gateways as my mail? I fear you will not be in the email business for long.

You live up to you nickname :D

Sending sales emails is not the same as spam, at least not in the lines of business using Migadu. We are not judging what people do for living, but rather try to aid them with a worthy advice if there is a better way. Working hand in hand with users pays off and we both enjoy it. We're tired of being nobody to some wise Google(rs)....

If sales stop, the world would stop. Everyone sells something to somebody.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a bit of a red flag to me. If they can't deliver their own mail to the inbox, how am I supposed to trust them with mine?

That's fine with us. Nevertheless, I am not sure you appreciate or fully understand how email works. If outlook is marking as spam a valid, DKIM authenticated email, with a correct SPF from a server with excellent reputation of 99/100 (SenderScore) and good domain reputation...who is to blame? Everyone is quick to jump and blame the small guy. :) Our reputation score is actually better than some of the largest email…

Email is my day job, I understand exactly how it works. If you have DKIM, DMARC, SPF and rDNS all in place and you're still getting transactional mail junked, then you have some other problem going on. For example, do you have tracking pixels from a different domain, or spammy content in your mails?

It's not a case of blaming the small guy, its a case of being careful who I trust with the deliverability of my email, and if you can't get your own email into my inbox, you're making me ask questions of your capabilities before I've even finished the sign up process. That's not a good start.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you have clients sending unsolicited emails touting for business through the same gateways as my mail? I fear you will not be in the email business for long.

You live up to you nickname :D Sending sales emails is not the same as spam, at least not in the lines of business using Migadu. We are not judging what people do for living, but rather try to aid them with a worthy advice if there is a better way. Working hand in hand with users pays off and we both enjoy it. We're tired of being nobody to some wise Google(rs).... If sales stop, the world would stop. Everyone sells…

The grandparent post referred specfically to "sending cold emails as a direct sales tool." I'm struggling to find any way to interpret that phrase that doesn't scream "spam" to me. Sending your emails individually from Outlook to an individual you've looked up on the targets website doesn't make it any less spammy.

I'm sure your approach works for the customers you have right now, but if you consider the above to be an acceptable use of your service, then I stand by my statement that you won't last long in the email business.

Re: Show HN: World class unlimited email hosting for all your domains from $4/month

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post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a bit of a red flag to me. If they can't deliver their own mail to the inbox, how am I supposed to trust them with mine?

That's fine with us. Nevertheless, I am not sure you appreciate or fully understand how email works. If outlook is marking as spam a valid, DKIM authenticated email, with a correct SPF from a server with excellent reputation of 99/100 (SenderScore) and good domain reputation...who is to blame? Everyone is quick to jump and blame the small guy. :) Our reputation score is actually better than some of the largest email…

@TheGrumpyBrit - I am sorry, did not meant to imply you did not know about the email internals.

I agree with you, but in the end, if all of those are correct on our side, it simply can be the spam filter on the other side. It is not only the sender who decides the deliverability :)

We do not use any tracking pixels.

Btw. Any suggestion is more than welcome and highly appreciated! Thank you for looking at Migadu!

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